Comments on: Buzz: 1B Trade Candidates, and Cantu-Murphy http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/29/buzz-1b-trade-candidates-and-cantu-murphy/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Lorenzo23 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/29/buzz-1b-trade-candidates-and-cantu-murphy/#comment-608082 Lorenzo23 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:32:50 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43956#comment-608082 I'm aware the mets have a budget and if we get holiday I don't expect the mets to bring in an all star at first but we would be much better off with a veteran like laroche or huff instead of a guy with hardly any mlb baseball experience and who has recently been demoted to double a. The mets didn't even call him up in September cause he sucks so bad. Why are some met fans so desperate to find a home grown prospect that they would sacrifice a season by playing bums? Cause that's what you want to do thadude. I’m aware the mets have a budget and if we get holiday I don’t expect the mets to bring in an all star at first but we would be much better off with a veteran like laroche or huff instead of a guy with hardly any mlb baseball experience and who has recently been demoted to double a. The mets didn’t even call him up in September cause he sucks so bad. Why are some met fans so desperate to find a home grown prospect that they would sacrifice a season by playing bums? Cause that’s what you want to do thadude.

]]> By: Lorenzo23 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/29/buzz-1b-trade-candidates-and-cantu-murphy/#comment-608081 Lorenzo23 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:24:12 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43956#comment-608081 I was refering to rolling the dice with unproven mid level prospects like murphy in left field last year. I didn't mean at first base. I'm aware Delgado got hurt. and thadude if you read any of my posts you would see I don't want an all star at every position. However I do think the mets would be better off with a guy like Audrey huff at first short term until davis is ready. I do not want to see a platoon of murphy and Evans at a power hitters position. Not to mention both guys are below average fielders. nick Evans sucks so bad he got demoted to double a. If you want to win try being realistic with your suggestions. Why don't you take a look at our competition next season, the Phillies, and you tell me how we could beat them by starting two mid level underachieving bums at first next season. I was refering to rolling the dice with unproven mid level prospects like murphy in left field last year. I didn’t mean at first base. I’m aware Delgado got hurt.

and thadude if you read any of my posts you would see I don’t want an all star at every position. However I do think the mets would be better off with a guy like Audrey huff at first short term until davis is ready. I do not want to see a platoon of murphy and Evans at a power hitters position. Not to mention both guys are below average fielders. nick Evans sucks so bad he got demoted to double a. If you want to win try being realistic with your suggestions. Why don’t you take a look at our competition next season, the Phillies, and you tell me how we could beat them by starting two mid level underachieving bums at first next season.

]]> By: Lorenzo23 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/29/buzz-1b-trade-candidates-and-cantu-murphy/#comment-608080 Lorenzo23 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:22:22 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43956#comment-608080 I was refering to rolling the dice with unproven mid level prospects like murphy in left field last year. I didn't mean at first base. I'm aware Delgado got hurt. and thadude if you read any of my posts you would see I don't want an all star at every position. However I do think the mets would be better off with a guy like Audrey huff at first short term until davis is ready. I do not want to see a platoon on murphy and Evans at a power hitters position. Not to mention both guys are below average fielders. nick Evans sucks so bad he got demoted to double a. If you want to win try being realistic with your suggestions. Why don't you take a look at our competition next season, the Phillies, and you tell me how we could beat them by starting two mid level underachieving bums at first next season. I was refering to rolling the dice with unproven mid level prospects like murphy in left field last year. I didn’t mean at first base. I’m aware Delgado got hurt.

and thadude if you read any of my posts you would see I don’t want an all star at every position. However I do think the mets would be better off with a guy like Audrey huff at first short term until davis is ready. I do not want to see a platoon on murphy and Evans at a power hitters position. Not to mention both guys are below average fielders. nick Evans sucks so bad he got demoted to double a. If you want to win try being realistic with your suggestions. Why don’t you take a look at our competition next season, the Phillies, and you tell me how we could beat them by starting two mid level underachieving bums at first next season.

]]> By: Horseman http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/29/buzz-1b-trade-candidates-and-cantu-murphy/#comment-608047 Horseman Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:43:32 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43956#comment-608047 All this talk about 1B; why? Didn't the mets trade for Carter and some other guy to play first base? Oh wait, the mets just wanted to trade Wagner for the heck of it, instead of snagging the draft picks. Shocker!!! All this talk about 1B; why? Didn’t the mets trade for Carter and some other guy to play first base? Oh wait, the mets just wanted to trade Wagner for the heck of it, instead of snagging the draft picks. Shocker!!!

]]> By: therambler http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/29/buzz-1b-trade-candidates-and-cantu-murphy/#comment-608045 therambler Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:34:47 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43956#comment-608045 Matt - I have to disagree with this again! "believe, if the Mets are going to dish the necessary prospects for this caliber player, it is far more likely to a pitcher than a bat, which, these days, is easier to find on the open market…" There are a ton of FA pitchers on the markets who, while not being great, are upgrades to what we had this year. We should trade for Adrian Gonzalez and here is why. He is 27. He is a Gold Glove 1st baseman. He is a left-handed power bat, who could hit 35+ bombs for the power lacking Mets. He is CHEAP for the next two years. 4.5 mil this year, 5 mil the year after. He would be perfect for this team now and in the future as a piece to play with Wright and Reyes for years to come. Signing Gonzalez would leave plenty of money available for a LF or for pitching. I personally would rather have Adrian, than Matt Holliday or Jason Bay. Offer Davis, Pagan, Parnell, and Niese for Gonzo... I think the Pads would listen. Matt –
I have to disagree with this again!
“believe, if the Mets are going to dish the necessary prospects for this caliber player, it is far more likely to a pitcher than a bat, which, these days, is easier to find on the open market…”
There are a ton of FA pitchers on the markets who, while not being great, are upgrades to what we had this year.
We should trade for Adrian Gonzalez and here is why.
He is 27. He is a Gold Glove 1st baseman. He is a left-handed power bat, who could hit 35+ bombs for the power lacking Mets. He is CHEAP for the next two years. 4.5 mil this year, 5 mil the year after. He would be perfect for this team now and in the future as a piece to play with Wright and Reyes for years to come. Signing Gonzalez would leave plenty of money available for a LF or for pitching.
I personally would rather have Adrian, than Matt Holliday or Jason Bay.
Offer Davis, Pagan, Parnell, and Niese for Gonzo… I think the Pads would listen.

]]> By: Hit The Weights Zeile http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/29/buzz-1b-trade-candidates-and-cantu-murphy/#comment-608037 Hit The Weights Zeile Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:01:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43956#comment-608037 You're right about the passive player evaluation. I dont like Uggla but I understand the analogy. As for chemistry, I agree its all luck and often just based on winning. How much chemistry did swisher, burnett, sabathia, tex, and arod have with each other before this season? and now they apparently have a ton, give me a break if they won 85 games and missed the playoffs people would say it was bc they had no chemistry yet they win 103 and its bc of that. Its garbage, they had by far the most talent in the AL and thus ended up winning 103 games. You’re right about the passive player evaluation. I dont like Uggla but I understand the analogy. As for chemistry, I agree its all luck and often just based on winning. How much chemistry did swisher, burnett, sabathia, tex, and arod have with each other before this season? and now they apparently have a ton, give me a break if they won 85 games and missed the playoffs people would say it was bc they had no chemistry yet they win 103 and its bc of that. Its garbage, they had by far the most talent in the AL and thus ended up winning 103 games.

]]> By: thedude http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/29/buzz-1b-trade-candidates-and-cantu-murphy/#comment-608016 thedude Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:26:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43956#comment-608016 Sorry about that -- my response was to Lorenzo. I totally agree with you Sorry about that — my response was to Lorenzo. I totally agree with you

]]> By: The Eephus http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/29/buzz-1b-trade-candidates-and-cantu-murphy/#comment-608013 The Eephus Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:15:57 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43956#comment-608013 For one Pelfrey walked too many and left many fat fastballs over the plate this year. For another, I agree they do not have the power pitching, so they should either fold this group and rebuild or make big strides towards fixing that. If we agree they don't have power pitching, why am I hearing people thinking the Mets should go for the Marquis', Garlands, Wolfs, and wheoverelses of the world rather than take a run at Chapman, who while a risk has legitimate upside. You know you are getting mediocrity from the other guys, and they will not be difference makers. What use is known entities if what is known is not that appealing? At least if Chapman fails, we can understand they had the right intentions. The Yankees did this with Contreras, the Dodgers with Nomo in his prime, the Red Sox with Dice K (it sort of worked but he is only ok), and they survived in the long term. There are always ways to undo mistakes, the Mets just get strapped to a budget (as high as it may be) and then let the world know they are desparate and can't sell anybody. For one Pelfrey walked too many and left many fat fastballs over the plate this year. For another, I agree they do not have the power pitching, so they should either fold this group and rebuild or make big strides towards fixing that. If we agree they don’t have power pitching, why am I hearing people thinking the Mets should go for the Marquis’, Garlands, Wolfs, and wheoverelses of the world rather than take a run at Chapman, who while a risk has legitimate upside. You know you are getting mediocrity from the other guys, and they will not be difference makers. What use is known entities if what is known is not that appealing? At least if Chapman fails, we can understand they had the right intentions. The Yankees did this with Contreras, the Dodgers with Nomo in his prime, the Red Sox with Dice K (it sort of worked but he is only ok), and they survived in the long term. There are always ways to undo mistakes, the Mets just get strapped to a budget (as high as it may be) and then let the world know they are desparate and can’t sell anybody.

]]> By: The Eephus http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/29/buzz-1b-trade-candidates-and-cantu-murphy/#comment-608011 The Eephus Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:11:32 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43956#comment-608011 I sure as shoot agree and am tired of it. Whether it is trumping up Murphy's defensive #s (who cares?), to dismissing Ugglas as being bad defensively, to preferring "pitchers" to gas powered "throwers" on the pitching side of things, the site is drifitng towards a passive form of player evaluation which in turn results in losing baseball. Every posting seems to have a touch of "this guy fits great in the #4 spot and eats innings" or "if so and so is aquired we would have balance with Murphy at the 7 spot." It is advocating a weak roster! And as far as the myth of chemistry, that cannot be put together by a GM, it just is random luck. Even "good" clubhouse guys don't fit everywhere. Teams that have made the WS hit HRs, lots of them, and even in pitchers duels, it is a HR, not a diving stop by an infielder, that makes the difference in most cases. And if finesse pitchers and defense were the model, the Maddux-Glavine Braves would have more hardware. I sure as shoot agree and am tired of it. Whether it is trumping up Murphy’s defensive #s (who cares?), to dismissing Ugglas as being bad defensively, to preferring “pitchers” to gas powered “throwers” on the pitching side of things, the site is drifitng towards a passive form of player evaluation which in turn results in losing baseball. Every posting seems to have a touch of “this guy fits great in the #4 spot and eats innings” or “if so and so is aquired we would have balance with Murphy at the 7 spot.” It is advocating a weak roster! And as far as the myth of chemistry, that cannot be put together by a GM, it just is random luck. Even “good” clubhouse guys don’t fit everywhere. Teams that have made the WS hit HRs, lots of them, and even in pitchers duels, it is a HR, not a diving stop by an infielder, that makes the difference in most cases. And if finesse pitchers and defense were the model, the Maddux-Glavine Braves would have more hardware.

]]> By: Sylow59 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/29/buzz-1b-trade-candidates-and-cantu-murphy/#comment-608007 Sylow59 Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:57:24 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43956#comment-608007 I'd rather they replace Murphy. If that doesn't happen then get a platoon player if available and cheap. If that doesn't happen then Evans against (at least) lefties works better for me then Murphy full-time. I’d rather they replace Murphy.

If that doesn’t happen then get a platoon player if available and cheap.

If that doesn’t happen then Evans against (at least) lefties works better for me then Murphy full-time.

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