Comments on: Read: Phillies & Mets, the Draft and Over-Slot http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/30/read-phillies-mets-the-draft-and-over-slot/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Old Backstop http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/30/read-phillies-mets-the-draft-and-over-slot/#comment-608268 Old Backstop Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:01:49 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43991#comment-608268 All I take away from this is that the draft/sign system is broken. If money can trump the draft order ... then it defeats the purpose of the draft entirely. This is a scam, and should be immediately terminated. Why is it that all other sports handle salary caps and drafting options correctly, with baseball being the only broken exception? Players union needs to be beaten down. It's ruining our game. As large market fans, it's easier for us to ignore this, but imagine being the bottom half (financially) of MLB, where you have to be 5 times better than your opponent just to have a chance (see the Twins). All I take away from this is that the draft/sign system is broken.

If money can trump the draft order … then it defeats the purpose of the draft entirely. This is a scam, and should be immediately terminated.

Why is it that all other sports handle salary caps and drafting options correctly, with baseball being the only broken exception? Players union needs to be beaten down. It’s ruining our game. As large market fans, it’s easier for us to ignore this, but imagine being the bottom half (financially) of MLB, where you have to be 5 times better than your opponent just to have a chance (see the Twins).

]]> By: metskat http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/30/read-phillies-mets-the-draft-and-over-slot/#comment-608220 metskat Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:41:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43991#comment-608220 so simply put its like this...our management/front office doesnt know what they are doing and are stubbornly not even willing to change the way they do business...we could have seen a lot of our prospects the second half of last season but there just werent many who were really ready/good enough...so we saw cory sullivan, alex cora and gary sheffield...talk about depressing.... so simply put its like this…our management/front office doesnt know what they are doing and are stubbornly not even willing to change the way they do business…we could have seen a lot of our prospects the second half of last season but there just werent many who were really ready/good enough…so we saw cory sullivan, alex cora and gary sheffield…talk about depressing….

]]> By: Ceetar http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/30/read-phillies-mets-the-draft-and-over-slot/#comment-608210 Ceetar Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:06:04 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43991#comment-608210 there is a fair shot that none of those 10 contribute even as much as Perez did last year. It's not a simple "throw money at it" problem. there is a fair shot that none of those 10 contribute even as much as Perez did last year. It’s not a simple “throw money at it” problem.

]]> By: ravi3 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/30/read-phillies-mets-the-draft-and-over-slot/#comment-608208 ravi3 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:40:32 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43991#comment-608208 Exactly...Teams are in a better situation to hold on to their talent these days, so you really don't see as many salary dumps as a few years ago (except for bad contracts). Prospects have a higher value, and even if they don't come up to star for your team, they can be used to acquire a player who can (Santana anyone?). I understand that the Mets are putting a focus on the international draft, but there is no reason that they shouldn't be aggressive in trying to lock up amatuer talent. Obviously not every player is worth going over slot, and the Mets is limited circumstances have gone over this cap, but when one of your strengths includes a fat wallet, and you don't use it, what good will that do you? Exactly…Teams are in a better situation to hold on to their talent these days, so you really don’t see as many salary dumps as a few years ago (except for bad contracts). Prospects have a higher value, and even if they don’t come up to star for your team, they can be used to acquire a player who can (Santana anyone?). I understand that the Mets are putting a focus on the international draft, but there is no reason that they shouldn’t be aggressive in trying to lock up amatuer talent. Obviously not every player is worth going over slot, and the Mets is limited circumstances have gone over this cap, but when one of your strengths includes a fat wallet, and you don’t use it, what good will that do you?

]]> By: Hit The Weights Zeile http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/30/read-phillies-mets-the-draft-and-over-slot/#comment-608203 Hit The Weights Zeile Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:18:17 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43991#comment-608203 that made me laugh. thank you. that made me laugh. thank you.

]]> By: Ceetar http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/30/read-phillies-mets-the-draft-and-over-slot/#comment-608202 Ceetar Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:01:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43991#comment-608202 The thing is, the Latin signings/trainings are actually outsides of the rules a bit. They spending money and focusing efforts in places that don't fit into the normal budgetary estimates or analysis. I do'nt know that they've seen a return on investment here yet, but all it takes is one stud to come up through that system to redeem them. Really, all the Mets need to do is go reasonably above slot once, and leak rumors that they will again. I'm not against playing by the 'rules', especially if it has a positive affect on the Mets favor within baseball, by getting things like All-Star games and other attentions, all of which lead to revenue. The thing is, the Latin signings/trainings are actually outsides of the rules a bit. They spending money and focusing efforts in places that don’t fit into the normal budgetary estimates or analysis. I do’nt know that they’ve seen a return on investment here yet, but all it takes is one stud to come up through that system to redeem them.

Really, all the Mets need to do is go reasonably above slot once, and leak rumors that they will again. I’m not against playing by the ‘rules’, especially if it has a positive affect on the Mets favor within baseball, by getting things like All-Star games and other attentions, all of which lead to revenue.

]]> By: The Eephus http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/30/read-phillies-mets-the-draft-and-over-slot/#comment-608201 The Eephus Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:59:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43991#comment-608201 Let's not limit the bashing to their drafting of position players. How many pitchers since Doc Gooden have been developed and made an impact at the big league level for the Mets or another team they were traded to? Kazmir, Isringhausen, Burnett, and that pretty much covers it unless you want to count Pelfrey. They whiff on the pitching front too, yet many fans also acquiesce to this. Whenever a debate pops up about "giving the kids a chance" and I chime in with "what farm system do they have worth preserving," I usually compare the Mets history of prospects to other teams. Inevitably, I hear something to the tune of "oh their history is not that bad, only 1 in x amount of young players pan out anyway, so the Mets should keep trying to let their prospects develop." Many ignore the fundamental detriment that is the Mets scouting department... And this is why I don't kill them when they trade prospects for guys like Delgado, as they are forced to because their youth stinks. Let’s not limit the bashing to their drafting of position players. How many pitchers since Doc Gooden have been developed and made an impact at the big league level for the Mets or another team they were traded to? Kazmir, Isringhausen, Burnett, and that pretty much covers it unless you want to count Pelfrey. They whiff on the pitching front too, yet many fans also acquiesce to this. Whenever a debate pops up about “giving the kids a chance” and I chime in with “what farm system do they have worth preserving,” I usually compare the Mets history of prospects to other teams. Inevitably, I hear something to the tune of “oh their history is not that bad, only 1 in x amount of young players pan out anyway, so the Mets should keep trying to let their prospects develop.” Many ignore the fundamental detriment that is the Mets scouting department… And this is why I don’t kill them when they trade prospects for guys like Delgado, as they are forced to because their youth stinks.

]]> By: Tidewater http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/30/read-phillies-mets-the-draft-and-over-slot/#comment-608195 Tidewater Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:05:16 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43991#comment-608195 I do sometimes wonder how the Wilpons manage to be rich. I do sometimes wonder how the Wilpons manage to be rich.

]]> By: thedude http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/30/read-phillies-mets-the-draft-and-over-slot/#comment-608193 thedude Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:59:25 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43991#comment-608193 It really is incredible. You can give 10 stud high schoolers overslot bonuses and it would cost about half of what they spent on Oliver Perez. If just one of those 10 pan out to be a star, it was more than worth it. It really is incredible. You can give 10 stud high schoolers overslot bonuses and it would cost about half of what they spent on Oliver Perez. If just one of those 10 pan out to be a star, it was more than worth it.

]]> By: Mets5rocks http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/30/read-phillies-mets-the-draft-and-over-slot/#comment-608188 Mets5rocks Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:42:25 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=43991#comment-608188 Karma owes us Big Time, but so do Omar and the Coupons! lol Karma owes us Big Time, but so do Omar and the Coupons! lol

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