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Yesterday, Metsblog reader “therambler” asked:
“I’d be curious to know if you think an offer of Mike Pelfrey, Ike Davis, Reese Havens, and Fernando Martinez would be enough (or be too much) to get Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres? I think that it is a slightly better package than what the Red Sox would offer (probably – Clay Buchholz, Daneil Bard, Michael Bowden, and Lars Anderson).”
…great question and i think that would be enough…the question is – does such a move make sense for either side…i think that acquiring Gonzalez is the best possible move the Mets could make and in this particular scenario, he negates the need for Davis for sure, but I think the Mets would be giving up too much by sending away Davis, Pelfrey AND Martinez as i have to think that at least one of those players can have a major impact at the major league level for a very long time…but ultimately, i don’t think Gonzalez would cost the Mets or the Red Sox this much talent, nor do i think either team would execute a deal to send that much talent away for one player to begin with…
…i’d be more inclined to trade Martinez at this point, simply because I don’t know where he fits into the puzzle anymore…if they acquire a Holliday/Bay/Crawford and keep Jeff Francoeur, what does that mean for Martinez…that said, this was the guy Omar Minaya would not trade for Johan Santana, so i wonder if he would consider dealing him for Gonzalez now…
…i think that the key for any package, when comparing one team’s package to another team’s package is whether or not, in this case, the Padres like those players and if they fit into their puzzle…i don’t think they can doubt the talent of guys like Davis and Martinez, but do they feel Davis can fill the shoes of Gonzalez in the long term, and do they think Martinez fits into their plans…they may better players than those in Boston’s package, but not necessarily better for San Diego’s short and long term goals…
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Personally i think if the Mets can get Adrian Gonzo for Davis, Havens, F Mart and Big Pelf they have to pull the trigger.
Gonzo brings them a high on base %, a solid avg. and an extreme upgrade in power while filling one of the biggest wholes(1st base) that the Mets have. Someone like Gonzo hitting behind Wright and Beltran makes both Wright and Beltran that much better cause you can’t pitch around them anymore.
Davis is useless if they get Gonzo, I like Havens but they can easily replace him, F Mart is useless if they get Holliday/Bay/Crawford so really all they are giving up is Big Pelf who can be replaced. This year there may not be a bunch of superstar SP’s on the market but there are a lot of SP’s that are as good or better than what Pelfrey has shown us.
I say if that trade gets it done, than pull the trigger. The one thing I would try first is putting Castillo in the deal and getting Eckstein as well(Mets pay 4 of the 6 mill on Castillo) and than go sign Figgins or Hudson to play 2nd base. Castillo just had a very good season(and healthy) so this is the time to move him. He had one of the best BA’s and OBP in all of baseball for the 2nd half of the season with nobody on the team around him to help out. Here is my outlook of the Mets if they make this happen:
1 Reyes
2 Figgins/Hudson
3 Wright
4 Gonzo
5 Beltran
6 Holliday/Bay/Crawford
7 Frenchy
8 Catcher(still a ?)
9 Pitcher
That batting order works but there are many other options that can be done from 2nd-7th
wow, that lineup would be sick, reyes and figgins in front of wright, gonzo, beltran AND holliday, wow!!
then we can package murphy for a bullpen arm or starter.
Your right, that lineup would be sick! There are so many ways that they can do that lineup and the outcome would be the same…….lots and lots of runs scored!
So we lose 8-7 instead of 8-4?
My take is that the Mets prospects are not very good, at least to be big time producers in a big time market. In a mid-size market, they may be good players. Look at the Santana trade. Have any of those prospects paid off? Gomez was just traded to Milwaukee. To sit here and say these guys will be big time in the near term I think is a mistake. I believe in building through the draft. I believe the Mets need to spend more resources on the draft. But these guys were drafted when they weren’t doing the best job and I would try to get something for them now while they are putting up good numbers in the AFL or generating interest from other teams due to AA or AAA numbers. I like Pelfrey. I am not so sure I would give up on him but Maine. I would consider sending Maine, FMART and Murphy. I get the impression Murphy will be like Mike Jacobs without the power. A decent defensive player but nothing special. Maine has gotten injured two years in a row. Package him up for either a good pitcher or a dominant hitter while he has value. FMART will not have a role especially if the Mets make a play for Bay or Holliday.
I couldn’t agree with you more. The Mets have some prospects right now that a lot of teams are looking at(Davis, Havens, Flores, Mejia, Holt, etc.). Most of them will be nothing more than top prospects to bench players, its the law of numbers. If every big prospect worked out there would be very little non superstar players in the league.
As for the trade for Gonzo, if they can make that happen with Maine instead of Pelf, I would love that and they need to make that happen
Am i the only one that thinks that package is too much? I’d try to sub in Neise for Pelfrey (i like pelfrey a little bit better than neise and we’ve seen him suceed at the major league level) then I’d let San Diego pick one of Davis or Fmart and then i’d let them pick one of a lower-level guys and send that off.
I don’t know really I’m really bad at making trade proposals so I don’t offer them up too much but A. Gon has to be looked into
My reasoning for including Pelfrey, F-Mart, Havens, and Davis is simple…
Davis becomes unnecesarry if Gonzalez is brought on.
Pelfrey is the kind of pitcher the Padres love and there are replacements available on the open market. I think keeping the left handed Niese would be a better idea than holding on to Pelf.
Havens has just been moved to 2nd in the hopes he can stick there…but we also have Wilmer Flores and Ruben Tejada coming up with him…
F-Mart…does anyone else get the feeling he is just not going to make it as a Met? He is the lynchpin to this deal…the kind of player that the Padres would say…”Ok. If we can get him…we’ll do it.”
I think this is a good deal for the Padres for a number of reasons…they are not going to compete and win now. So we offer them talent that is staggered…Pelf will help now and stabilize a promising rotation. F-Mart can come up and help now or continue working at AAA for next year. Havens is a year and a half to two years away alose. And Davis could play for them by midseason.
These guys will also be cheap and under Padre control for the next 5 years… something the Padres CRAVE. Plus with all the help at multiple positions would give the Padres some enviable position depth.
I think if you take one of these guys out the Padres would balk.
And I don’t think this is too much to pay for a gold golve defender, with 40 HR power, a great OBP, and a solid AVG.
Also, I would hit him between Beltran and Wright. I also don’t think the Mets could afford Holiday and Figgins (Figgins looks like he is going to get a BIG deal from someone). My hope (and i think it’s reasonable) is that the Mets lineup looks something like this next year…
SS Reyes
2B Castillo
CF Beltran
1B Gonzalez
3B Wright
LF Holliday/Dye/Damon
RF Frenchy
C Barajas/Santos/Molina
SP – Santana, Bedard, Marquis, Perez, and Maine
(BTW I don’t want to keep Perez…but I don’t think we have a choice)
Here is my whole plan to get here…
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/285588-blueprint-for-world-domination
Again, we lose 8-6 instead of 8-4
I’m all for trading for Gonzalez, and our main competition remains the Soxxx ….
not sure we have to put FMart, Pelfrey, Davis, and Havens all together in this deal …
we might even be able to work Murphy into the package, who knows — and i agree with substituting Maine for Pelfrey.
if Davis continues to do well in the AZ league, he would quickly become the centerpiece of the deal, and we’d just have to build around him, so throw in Maine and you have the bulk of the deal right there. maybe leave in Havens and add another lesser prospect (pitcher).
additionally, if you can keep FMart, we might be able to come up with a package for Crawford, if Holliday falls thru …
If Holliday and BAy are out of it, then we must trade for Agon. Then we must Sign a pitvher like LAckey not trade for a pitcher since we traded for 1B. THe we will add Crawford for a LF since the other two are gone. We then can sign Wolf or MArquis and get a catcher like Molina/Olivo/BArajas. We then will boost the bench and bullpen a little and MAYBE trade Castillo and sign Hudson.
For me personally, i don’t see this even happening. The Mets don’t have anything in the farm to even use as bait for Gonzalez. It would be good for the Mets, but i just don’t see this happening. Unless, they try to trade one of the players on the 40 man roster the Pads would be attracted to, then maybe, but i don’t think so.
Davis and some other people like Nieve
I dont think the Padres would want Davis. They have Kyle Blanks positioned to play 1B, so if they’re going trade Gonzalez, they dont need a young 1b back.
Ike Davis should be the only untouchable being Ike can play rf. Pelfrey, F-Mart, Meija, Murphy and the Mets get Adrian Gonzalez
MAine, F-mart,Mejia and Murphy