Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star believes the Mets are among 10 teams that come close to matching up with the Blue Jays, in a deal for Roy Halladay
…i wrote the following in early October, and i still feel the same…
…much like with the Johan Santana situation with the Twins a few years ago, because he has a full no-trade clause, if halladay flat-out rejects toronto’s efforts to sign him to an extension, the Halladay Derby might come down to the team capable of not only trading prospects to get him, but who also have the cash to sign him to what will most certainly be a Sabathia– or Santana-like long-term deal… and so, again, like with santana, if the Yankees do not plan to spend that money on pitching, or if the Red Sox decide to spend on a bat, etc., who knows how the market will break and shape out…
…in the end, at least as of right now, i have no clue if the Mets stand a chance of getting halladay, who of course they’ll have interest in… i mean, who wouldn’t have interest in him… maybe they get him, maybe they don’t, maybe they have a chance, maybe they don’t… time will tell… all i’m saying is, to frame his availability as one of just prospects and a straight-up trade is ignoring the realities of MLB… instead, it’s about who has just enough talent to get him, because they’re capable of signing him to a seven-year deal… it’s a two-part move…
…to me, the Mets need to decide if he’s worth that big-time contract… i have talked to plenty of people around the game, and they always express concerns about his health… he’s been on the disabled list with shoulder and forearm injuries… if he signs a seven-year deal, he’ll turn 40 years old in the middle of that final summer… think about that for a moment… the bulk of his time and money will come post 35 years old… and so, i can see the concern… that said, it’s hard to stop daydreaming about having santana and halladay in the same rotation…
Halladay has struck out 200 batters each of his last two seasons, all with a 2.78 ERA through 585 innings and 66 starts, 18 of which were complete games.
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Well, I am one of those quality over quantity types when it comes to baseball. I’m a believer that it’s not how many plus positions you have that matter, but how far above average your players are that matter. I think of guys like Pujols and Sabathia carrying their teams to the playoffs every year.
The Mets could really make a splash this year by going the Halladay & Holliday route – not to mention it would make for some fun headlines and really give the announcers fits when Halladay and Holliday were both on the field at the same time :)
Halladay + Holliday is big bucks, however, and while I think it actually makes sense for the Mets, it may be too rich for the Wilpons. who are feeling snake bitten and timid right now.
Holliday & Gonzalez may make more sense financially, although it leaves us with a pretty weak rotation.
The more I think about it, the more I think it makes sense to go with Matt and Adrian. That line-up would be killer.
Reyes
Wright
Beltran
Holliday
Gonzalez
Franceour
Castillo
Thole
Good luck with trading for Adrian Gonzalez. We don’t have the prospects to trade for him compared to other teams around the league.
That’s what most people said about Santana, as well.
Having said that, unlike Santana, Gonzalez does not have a no-trade and has a reasonable price tag, but still, it’s worth a call. A lot of the people who said the Mets lacked the pieces to get Santana probably wouldn’t have bothered to make the call. They forget how reluctant many teams are to part with many of their key prospects.
that would be amazing. Man does that lineup really fall off a cliff after the 5 hole.
Maybe you bat Castillo 2nd, it lengthens the lineup. I also think sliding Beltran down to 6 may help him. His speed in front of Franceour would be nice and taking the pressure of him could be a positive.
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Holliday
Gonzalez
Beltran
Franceour
Thole
id put wright in the 6 hole with alot less pressure and use castillo at 2. lengthens it out a bit. Oh well too bad this will never happen and we’ll probably end up with dye and laroche, or some other awful combo that will cost way more than its worth.
Anything above three or four years would be madness. He’ll want longer, and the prospects the Mets would have to give up would be nuts. Don’t make this deal, Omar. Sure, a Santana/Halladay one-two might look good for a couple years but the tail end of that contract will be disgusting AND our best prospects will be gone.
The ONLY player the Mets should give anything significant up for is AGon. Other than that, sign what you can and keep developing these kids that seem to be turning into quite the prospects. Who cares if 2010 is mediocre if 2011+ would potentially be fantastic?
How to you retain 2011-ready prospects and acquire Gonzalez in a trade, who is probably going to require 4-5 players, most of which are ready within 0-2 years?
I mean, I still think Gonzalez is the right move, but I wouldn’t expect much on my farm to help me in 2011. I’d expect my 2011 class to be playing in San Diego.
I meant you only trade those prospects for AGon. No one else.
Other than AGon, they should hold on to those prospects, who could make for a very good team 2011+. Sorry for any confusion.
Trading for Halladay and then signing him to a 6 or 7 year deal would be foolish. There is a lot of use wear in that right arm and you are sure to get diminshing returns over the life of his contract.
I would give him five years, with a sixth year option and if he really wanted the sixth year guaranteed i’d give it to him, especially if it was make or break for the deal, even if he falls off after year four or five that still gives you three to four years of production from him, also we have a 30 year old ace, Halladay would be the 1A of the staff. We are not looking for him to be an ace for five or six years but a guy behind Santana, if he levels off a bit or gets injured in a few years I think the deal will still be worth it. He’s good, pitching wins
You could also attempt to sign a guy like Marquis as well. If you can sign Wolf or Marquis, it would give you room to move other SPs like Pelfrey, Maine or Perez in a deal for Halladay or Gonzo.
I’d give him 5 years. I’m not to sure about the option for the 6th though. We can sign Wolf or MArquis or GArland after that still.
you sign him for 4 years with an option … but him at 37 will have a lot of miles on him …. over 3,000 IPs.
who knows, maybe he ends up pitching 5,000 innings like Roger … but i wouldn’t bet on it.
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