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	<title>Comments on: Buzz: Mets like Pineiro &amp; Wolf, Leery of Lackey</title>
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		<title>By: PHINANALYST</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/10/buzz-mets-like-pineiro-wolf-leery-of-lackey/#comment-610485</link>
		<dc:creator>PHINANALYST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you can get Lackey for 5/85 ... how do you not do that ... i prefer 4 with on option, but if that&#039;s what it took, i&#039;d do it.   how much did we sink into Petey ... and yes, i understand the circumstances were different ... but none-the-less ....  it&#039;s cheap and still gives us great flexibility with LF/1B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you can get Lackey for 5/85 &#8230; how do you not do that &#8230; i prefer 4 with on option, but if that&#8217;s what it took, i&#8217;d do it.   how much did we sink into Petey &#8230; and yes, i understand the circumstances were different &#8230; but none-the-less &#8230;.  it&#8217;s cheap and still gives us great flexibility with LF/1B</p>
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		<title>By: swingers31</title>
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		<dc:creator>swingers31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you guys serious? Build from within? Man, keep drinking the cool aide. 

Yea, I trust the Wilpons if they take on that philosophy.....The same Wilpons who go above and beyond the call of duty in the draft? Yikes. They dont sign above slot. Yet you want them to build from within? Good luck with that.

This is NY. Im all for developing your own talent. But the Mets have proved they cant do that consistetly. Plus the time is now

You have one of the best pitchers in all of baseball in his prime. Hes got 2-3 yrs left max at  this level. So do yo want to wait for wilmer flores to hopefully develop? and develop into what exactely?

I personally rather go get Haren than Doc. But that would cost more chips. Doc is not going to be as expensive as you think.  

Johan Doc Pelf Olly Maine is a solid rotation. 

I personally am not a huge fan of Holliday or Bay. I rather see the Mets try to find the power from left elsewhere. 

What I would do if I were the MEts is go trade for Ryan Doumit. He solves 2 problems. He can catch and play first. And hes a solid stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you guys serious? Build from within? Man, keep drinking the cool aide. </p>
<p>Yea, I trust the Wilpons if they take on that philosophy&#8230;..The same Wilpons who go above and beyond the call of duty in the draft? Yikes. They dont sign above slot. Yet you want them to build from within? Good luck with that.</p>
<p>This is NY. Im all for developing your own talent. But the Mets have proved they cant do that consistetly. Plus the time is now</p>
<p>You have one of the best pitchers in all of baseball in his prime. Hes got 2-3 yrs left max at  this level. So do yo want to wait for wilmer flores to hopefully develop? and develop into what exactely?</p>
<p>I personally rather go get Haren than Doc. But that would cost more chips. Doc is not going to be as expensive as you think.  </p>
<p>Johan Doc Pelf Olly Maine is a solid rotation. </p>
<p>I personally am not a huge fan of Holliday or Bay. I rather see the Mets try to find the power from left elsewhere. </p>
<p>What I would do if I were the MEts is go trade for Ryan Doumit. He solves 2 problems. He can catch and play first. And hes a solid stick.</p>
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		<title>By: MetsFan06</title>
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		<dc:creator>MetsFan06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know that all 3 won&#039;t happen. Only 1 and the most realistic is Lackey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know that all 3 won&#8217;t happen. Only 1 and the most realistic is Lackey.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy2cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy2cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I agree.  If Omar doesn&#039;t adopt the &quot;build from within&quot; model and decides to lop on free agents, at the very least he should get the best ballplayers out there.

Take Jason Marquis, for example.  I like Jason and he&#039;s a local product.  However, we already have five guys at his talent level.   He&#039;d be perfect as a 4th or 5th starter, but we still don&#039;t have a no. 2 or 3, which are the slots Omar must fill.

So, if Omar is going to pull out all of the stops, then sign Lackey, trade for Halladay, sign Holliday and Figgins.  Its in incredibly tall and almost totally unrealistic order, given the number of other ballclubs vying for their services.

That is why I think we should trim our sails and take a longer, more conservative route to rebuidling the organization as a whole.  Heck, we&#039;ve just suffered through the trauma of the most perpexling, and in many ways, the worst season in NY Met history.

The problem is that I doubt Omar is smart enough to create an organizational model that will result in a perennial contender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree.  If Omar doesn&#8217;t adopt the &#8220;build from within&#8221; model and decides to lop on free agents, at the very least he should get the best ballplayers out there.</p>
<p>Take Jason Marquis, for example.  I like Jason and he&#8217;s a local product.  However, we already have five guys at his talent level.   He&#8217;d be perfect as a 4th or 5th starter, but we still don&#8217;t have a no. 2 or 3, which are the slots Omar must fill.</p>
<p>So, if Omar is going to pull out all of the stops, then sign Lackey, trade for Halladay, sign Holliday and Figgins.  Its in incredibly tall and almost totally unrealistic order, given the number of other ballclubs vying for their services.</p>
<p>That is why I think we should trim our sails and take a longer, more conservative route to rebuidling the organization as a whole.  Heck, we&#8217;ve just suffered through the trauma of the most perpexling, and in many ways, the worst season in NY Met history.</p>
<p>The problem is that I doubt Omar is smart enough to create an organizational model that will result in a perennial contender.</p>
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		<title>By: mextache</title>
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		<dc:creator>mextache</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re the big winner Swingers...the core of this team is built to win now.  

Johan and K-Rod give the Mets a distinct advantage over most of MLB.  They have an ace (maybe the best in the game) and after the great Mariano, perhaps the best closer in the game.

Call the Jays about Halliday, call the Sox about Beckett and call Lackey&#039;s agent.  

Pitching wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re the big winner Swingers&#8230;the core of this team is built to win now.  </p>
<p>Johan and K-Rod give the Mets a distinct advantage over most of MLB.  They have an ace (maybe the best in the game) and after the great Mariano, perhaps the best closer in the game.</p>
<p>Call the Jays about Halliday, call the Sox about Beckett and call Lackey&#8217;s agent.  </p>
<p>Pitching wins.</p>
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		<title>By: MetsFan06</title>
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		<dc:creator>MetsFan06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep Pelfrey throw in Maine.</description>
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		<title>By: MetsFan06</title>
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		<dc:creator>MetsFan06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imar said money isn&#039;t a problem. The Mets should be getting both Lackey, Wolf and Holliday or Bay. If not they have to trade for Agon and sign Ankiel for left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imar said money isn&#8217;t a problem. The Mets should be getting both Lackey, Wolf and Holliday or Bay. If not they have to trade for Agon and sign Ankiel for left.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicky Noodles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicky Noodles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To your point, it&#039;s much more likely that they would trade for Halladay than they would for Gonzo. To be honest, we really don&#039;t have the players to trade for Gonzo. We just don&#039;t, plane and simple.

Halladay is a much more realistic option. In that, his trade vaule has decreased since the break and he&#039;s owed much more money, $15 mill, than Gonzo. So you&#039;d have to think that only big(ger) market teams would have the salary room to pay for him.

If the Mets make any high profile trades this offseason it would be for him. It makes much more sense to sign Holliday, Wolf and Pinero/Harden, IF (and only if) you plan on trading for Halladay. And if we traded for Halladay I believe two things would occur...1. we&#039;d sign him to an extension and 2. we&#039;d trade Pelfrey in the deal. Giving us a rotation of:

Santana
Halladay
Wolf
Pinero
Perez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To your point, it&#8217;s much more likely that they would trade for Halladay than they would for Gonzo. To be honest, we really don&#8217;t have the players to trade for Gonzo. We just don&#8217;t, plane and simple.</p>
<p>Halladay is a much more realistic option. In that, his trade vaule has decreased since the break and he&#8217;s owed much more money, $15 mill, than Gonzo. So you&#8217;d have to think that only big(ger) market teams would have the salary room to pay for him.</p>
<p>If the Mets make any high profile trades this offseason it would be for him. It makes much more sense to sign Holliday, Wolf and Pinero/Harden, IF (and only if) you plan on trading for Halladay. And if we traded for Halladay I believe two things would occur&#8230;1. we&#8217;d sign him to an extension and 2. we&#8217;d trade Pelfrey in the deal. Giving us a rotation of:</p>
<p>Santana<br />
Halladay<br />
Wolf<br />
Pinero<br />
Perez</p>
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		<title>By: Beltranmynewfavmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beltranmynewfavmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the point I&#039;ve been making for months.  We need to get younger and stronger THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION, not with just one or two players.

(just for the record, my post above about signing lackey pineiro and wolf was only made because I don&#039;t think the Mets will go the route I want them to.  I&#039;d really prefer we sign lackey, and then continue developing our farm system and build from within.... as well as setting VERY modest goals for next year.  i don&#039;t think we should be viewed as a contender next year... God knows what Omar would do in desperation if he thinks we have a chance next year... Jim Duquette anybody?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the point I&#8217;ve been making for months.  We need to get younger and stronger THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION, not with just one or two players.</p>
<p>(just for the record, my post above about signing lackey pineiro and wolf was only made because I don&#8217;t think the Mets will go the route I want them to.  I&#8217;d really prefer we sign lackey, and then continue developing our farm system and build from within&#8230;. as well as setting VERY modest goals for next year.  i don&#8217;t think we should be viewed as a contender next year&#8230; God knows what Omar would do in desperation if he thinks we have a chance next year&#8230; Jim Duquette anybody?)</p>
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		<title>By: Beltranmynewfavmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beltranmynewfavmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5 players in their prime and 20 awful players does not build a contender.

So what if we add Lackey... that&#039;s still 6 players in their prime and 19 below average players (yes, murphy, francoeur, santos/thole, castillo, etc are below average.  Maybe Pedro Feliciano isn&#039;t, but every other &quot;fill-in&quot; player on the team is below average)

We need solid guys throughout the team, not just 5-6 stars.  That&#039;s the mentality that got us in this mess in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 players in their prime and 20 awful players does not build a contender.</p>
<p>So what if we add Lackey&#8230; that&#8217;s still 6 players in their prime and 19 below average players (yes, murphy, francoeur, santos/thole, castillo, etc are below average.  Maybe Pedro Feliciano isn&#8217;t, but every other &#8220;fill-in&#8221; player on the team is below average)</p>
<p>We need solid guys throughout the team, not just 5-6 stars.  That&#8217;s the mentality that got us in this mess in the first place.</p>
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