Comments on: Buzz: Gonzalez’s Agent to Meet with Padres http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-gonzalezs-agent-to-meet-with-padres/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Fonzie86 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-gonzalezs-agent-to-meet-with-padres/#comment-611235 Fonzie86 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:21:40 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=44786#comment-611235 I would typically agree with you about being top heavy and thinning the farm system, or even the loss of cheap talent down the road. But in this case Adrian Gonzalez is great right now and cheap for 2 more years. I don't think they can think about people getting expensive years from now, who knows what the team will be like. They need to try and win now, Johan and Beltran are not getting any younger, and who knows what they will give you a few years down the road. I would typically agree with you about being top heavy and thinning the farm system, or even the loss of cheap talent down the road. But in this case Adrian Gonzalez is great right now and cheap for 2 more years. I don’t think they can think about people getting expensive years from now, who knows what the team will be like. They need to try and win now, Johan and Beltran are not getting any younger, and who knows what they will give you a few years down the road.

]]> By: Fonzie86 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-gonzalezs-agent-to-meet-with-padres/#comment-611233 Fonzie86 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:15:26 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=44786#comment-611233 I think your trade proposal would need a bit more but if the mets lay it out like that and start with: Pelfrey (cheap and could slot in to starting rotation now) Pagan (start/contribute, they would want him over Murphy) Ike Davis Ruben Tejada Eddie Kunz another prospect (excluding Mejia/Neice/Flores/F-mart) maybe that would come close or atleast get the ball rolling. Let's just say a deal bases around that package could get done. That leaves another rotation spot open because of Pelfrey. Gowrightgo suggested bringing in Marquis, Wolf and Garland I believe for 25M max. Basing this on the idea Pelfrey was traded for Gonzo, how about this idea... Cincinatti owes Harang and Arroyo 23.5M this year and their buyouts next year (4M). They want to shed payroll, tell them you will take back both but they east maybe 6.5M (maybe more or less) this year and that's it. They save 17M this season and 4M next. Then mets sign Harden for roughly 8M w/incentives and option. Johan Harden Harang Arroyo Ollie Maine to bullpen All 3 starters for roughly 25M. I know this is coming out of thine air but it seems as if it could work logically and not be complete fantasy. What's do you think gowrightgo or any other readers thoughts? I think your trade proposal would need a bit more but if the mets lay it out like that and start with:

Pelfrey (cheap and could slot in to starting rotation now)
Pagan (start/contribute, they would want him over Murphy)
Ike Davis
Ruben Tejada
Eddie Kunz
another prospect (excluding Mejia/Neice/Flores/F-mart)

maybe that would come close or atleast get the ball rolling.

Let’s just say a deal bases around that package could get done. That leaves another rotation spot open because of Pelfrey. Gowrightgo suggested bringing in Marquis, Wolf and Garland I believe for 25M max. Basing this on the idea Pelfrey was traded for Gonzo, how about this idea…

Cincinatti owes Harang and Arroyo 23.5M this year and their buyouts next year (4M). They want to shed payroll, tell them you will take back both but they east maybe 6.5M (maybe more or less) this year and that’s it. They save 17M this season and 4M next. Then mets sign Harden for roughly 8M w/incentives and option.

Johan
Harden
Harang
Arroyo
Ollie
Maine to bullpen

All 3 starters for roughly 25M. I know this is coming out of thine air but it seems as if it could work logically and not be complete fantasy.

What’s do you think gowrightgo or any other readers thoughts?

]]> By: ItalPiazza31 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-gonzalezs-agent-to-meet-with-padres/#comment-611115 ItalPiazza31 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:40:05 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=44786#comment-611115 The Yankees are more than just a top heavy team. Their stars are supplemented by homegrown contributors such as Robinson Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Joba and Hughes. In addition to having a guy like Nick Swisher who is a solid contributor. No team can win based off of 5 or 6 top level players and a bunch of mediocre players. If you could win like that the Mets would have faired better in 2007 and 2008. And while none of the prospects in the Met system may ever become as good as A-Gone if 2 of them could become everyday players costing the Mets little in terms of payroll it will allow them down the road to go out and add top tier players while at the same time having a deep roster. Acquiring A-Gone just gets the Mets back to where they were in 2007 and 2008 which was not good enough. And with little in the farm system left after a trade like that and A-Gone, Reyes and Wright all due for big contracts within the next 2 years the Mets would have little flexibility to improve the rest of the roster unless they significantly increased their revenue to help boost payroll. The Yankees are more than just a top heavy team. Their stars are supplemented by homegrown contributors such as Robinson Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Joba and Hughes. In addition to having a guy like Nick Swisher who is a solid contributor.

No team can win based off of 5 or 6 top level players and a bunch of mediocre players. If you could win like that the Mets would have faired better in 2007 and 2008. And while none of the prospects in the Met system may ever become as good as A-Gone if 2 of them could become everyday players costing the Mets little in terms of payroll it will allow them down the road to go out and add top tier players while at the same time having a deep roster.

Acquiring A-Gone just gets the Mets back to where they were in 2007 and 2008 which was not good enough. And with little in the farm system left after a trade like that and A-Gone, Reyes and Wright all due for big contracts within the next 2 years the Mets would have little flexibility to improve the rest of the roster unless they significantly increased their revenue to help boost payroll.

]]> By: Old Backstop http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-gonzalezs-agent-to-meet-with-padres/#comment-611106 Old Backstop Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:11:44 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=44786#comment-611106 Gonzalez is better than Teixeira. Although they both hit 40 homeruns (essentially), Gonzalez hit 28 homeruns on the road last year in 80 games while Tex hit 15 on the road. Gonz played in PETCO while Tex played in the new homer dome that is Yankee Stadium. If you neutralize both guys, Gonz is a 40+ guy, Tex is a 30 HR guy. Had they switched home parks, Gonz would have hit somewhere between 50 and 60 homeruns, while Tex would have struggled to hit 25. Gonzalez is better than Teixeira. Although they both hit 40 homeruns (essentially), Gonzalez hit 28 homeruns on the road last year in 80 games while Tex hit 15 on the road. Gonz played in PETCO while Tex played in the new homer dome that is Yankee Stadium.

If you neutralize both guys, Gonz is a 40+ guy, Tex is a 30 HR guy. Had they switched home parks, Gonz would have hit somewhere between 50 and 60 homeruns, while Tex would have struggled to hit 25.

]]> By: Felix the Cat http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-gonzalezs-agent-to-meet-with-padres/#comment-611105 Felix the Cat Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:09:50 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=44786#comment-611105 Odds are that NONE of those young cheap players will ever approach the kind of player that Gonzalez is. This guy is a bonafide STAR. If it were a Matt Holliday type player then I would agree with you. There's nothing wrong with being a top-heavy team when the top contracts are players who produce to the level that they are being paid. The Yankees just won a championship and I'd say that they are pretty darn top heavy. Gonzalez is a no-brainer "back up the truck" kind of trade target. Odds are that NONE of those young cheap players will ever approach the kind of player that Gonzalez is. This guy is a bonafide STAR. If it were a Matt Holliday type player then I would agree with you. There’s nothing wrong with being a top-heavy team when the top contracts are players who produce to the level that they are being paid. The Yankees just won a championship and I’d say that they are pretty darn top heavy. Gonzalez is a no-brainer “back up the truck” kind of trade target.

]]> By: ItalPiazza31 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-gonzalezs-agent-to-meet-with-padres/#comment-611101 ItalPiazza31 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:40:50 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=44786#comment-611101 But then what happens a year or two from now when Gonzalez is given his big extension and is no longer cheap? How do you supplement the rest of the roster? The young cheap players you would have had were shipped in the deal to obtain him and the prospects you do have left are at least 2 years away from being Major League ready. You are once again stuck with the same top heavy roster that lacks the depth or flexibility to make other improvements to the roster. But then what happens a year or two from now when Gonzalez is given his big extension and is no longer cheap? How do you supplement the rest of the roster?

The young cheap players you would have had were shipped in the deal to obtain him and the prospects you do have left are at least 2 years away from being Major League ready. You are once again stuck with the same top heavy roster that lacks the depth or flexibility to make other improvements to the roster.

]]> By: Fonzie86 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-gonzalezs-agent-to-meet-with-padres/#comment-611097 Fonzie86 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:31:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=44786#comment-611097 Ha, agreed Ha, agreed

]]> By: Fonzie86 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-gonzalezs-agent-to-meet-with-padres/#comment-611094 Fonzie86 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:22:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=44786#comment-611094 You have some good points and ones that should be considered. I figure beggers can't be chosers when it comes to the K's. A lot of guys strike out a lot but 30+ home runs will help you live with it. As for what I think is more important, his fielding. I am honeslt not too sure of his arm which is not life or death in LF but his UZR rating is a bit subpar. He likely does not complete the best outfield defensively but could suffice and provide some pop. I was just throwing it out there. You have some good points and ones that should be considered. I figure beggers can’t be chosers when it comes to the K’s. A lot of guys strike out a lot but 30+ home runs will help you live with it. As for what I think is more important, his fielding. I am honeslt not too sure of his arm which is not life or death in LF but his UZR rating is a bit subpar. He likely does not complete the best outfield defensively but could suffice and provide some pop. I was just throwing it out there.

]]> By: Felix the Cat http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-gonzalezs-agent-to-meet-with-padres/#comment-611087 Felix the Cat Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:01:00 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=44786#comment-611087 I completely disagree. If the Mets added Gonzalez they would still have the financial freedom to sign, say, Lackey and Wolf. IMO, this team would compete for the postseason in 2010 no matter who we had in LF or at 2B. A consistent big bat in the middle of the order (not sure Holliday is that guy but Gonzalez is) and solid #2 and 3 starters combined with the return of Reyes are enough to make the team legit again. Having A-Gon at first will also help tremendously with the wild throws from the left side of our infield. I completely disagree. If the Mets added Gonzalez they would still have the financial freedom to sign, say, Lackey and Wolf.
IMO, this team would compete for the postseason in 2010 no matter who we had in LF or at 2B. A consistent big bat in the middle of the order (not sure Holliday is that guy but Gonzalez is) and solid #2 and 3 starters combined with the return of Reyes are enough to make the team legit again.
Having A-Gon at first will also help tremendously with the wild throws from the left side of our infield.

]]> By: ItalPiazza31 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-gonzalezs-agent-to-meet-with-padres/#comment-611083 ItalPiazza31 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:45:29 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=44786#comment-611083 A-Gone is a great player. He's a Mark Teixeira clone minus the switch hitting. However this Met team is not one player away from contending and they don't have near the depth in their farm system to make one big deal and still have enough to make future moves in addition to incorporating some of their prospects onto their Major League roster. I'd love to add A-Gone but I just don't see it being the right move right now for the Mets. A-Gone is a great player. He’s a Mark Teixeira clone minus the switch hitting. However this Met team is not one player away from contending and they don’t have near the depth in their farm system to make one big deal and still have enough to make future moves in addition to incorporating some of their prospects onto their Major League roster.

I’d love to add A-Gone but I just don’t see it being the right move right now for the Mets.

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