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Tonight on SNY’s Mets Hot Stove, SNY Insider Jon Heyman, from SI.com, said the Mets would have enough minor-league talent to get Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays, ‘but they’ll have to be very aggressive and gut their system.’
Heyman believes the Mets will look in to acquiring Halladay. However, he said, “To do that twice, and have two pitchers making $46 million, I just don’t see them doing it.”
In regards to signing free-agent OF Matt Holliday, Heyman said, ‘They have a good shot,’ and will be competing against the Cubs, Giants, Braves and Cardinals. The Yankees, however, will not be involved.
In terms of pitching, Heyman said, ‘The Mets really like Joel Pineiro,’ though he is not sure they are willing to commit three-years and $30 million to sign him.
To see video from tonight’s Mets Hot Stove, keep an eye on SNY.TV.
QUESTION –
Would you rather sign Matt Holliday this year, or Joe Mauer next year?
(I posted this in another thread but I am just curious what some of you think)
Who is to say that Joe Mauer doesn’t re-up with the Twins and never hits Free Agency? Counting on guys hitting Free Agency down the road is a naive way of going about whether to sign certain guys. You can’t control what might happen down the road, you can only control what you can do right now.
Isn’t Joe Maur signing an extension with the Twins?
also, i hate jon heyman, and i want doc halladay
I’d give Doc about 4-5 years. He’s still good and is a very tough guy.
This is my plan. Tell me how you guys like it. Sign Holliday. Trade for Halladay.(Not the core). Sign Wolf. Sign Molina or Barajas. Try and trade castillo and sign Hudson. (Or trade for Phillips which personally I don’t think will happen.) Boost the bench and bullpen a little bit.
Reyes
Murphy
Beltran
Holliday
Wright
F-Core
Molina/Barajas
Hudson
P
Santana
Halladay
Wolf
Pelf
Maine/Ollie
as cool as seeing that happening would be.. thats completely unrealistic .. remember this is real life, not fantasy baseball… signing holliday is going to take months of negotiations … if half of the things u proposed happens the team will be in great shape… forget about halladay .. we would have to give up too much (we have so little talent as it is) and still give him a 6-7 year extension (considering he waives his no trade clause) .. that means 2 pitchers in our rotation making 22-23 million a year.. thats ridiculous .. i think they should go for depth in the rotation .. so that we dont have to rely on a maine for a full season, or a neise to step up for an entire year.. or rely on a figaroa all year.. sign wolfe and marques to slot in between santana pelfrey and ollie.. put maine in the bullpen …. sign holliday to become part of the core .. that takes care of the rotation and power hitting left fielder … the catching situation will handle itself.. whether we land molina, settle for barajas, or make a trade for snyder, something will happen and there will be a new catcher behind the plate in 2010 … now as for castillo and orlando hudson .. would still love to see that happen … but if the mets are going to make a trade… why not make it with the reds for phillips and harrang .. then we can nix my earlier idea about signing 2 FA pitchers, and only sign one and slot harang in as the number 3…..
reyes
phillips
beltran
holliday
wright
franceour
murphy
molina/snyder/barajas (molina would probably bat 6th)
santana
wolfe
harang
pelfrey
perez
krod
maine
feliciano
parnell
stokes
neive
LHP
pagan
santos
cora (resigned)
sullivan
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with neise, figgy, and davis in the wings in case someone goes down…
i just think that going for halliday is thinking too short term.. just a quick fix… its not like we dont have johan santana … keep the prospects, save the money.. spend it on holliday .. what do you think?
Nice post. However, if we don’t go after Halladay what about LAckey? Also, if we don’t get Halladay and we do get Holliday we should trade for Phillips.
i like lackey.. but i dont love him… meaning why pay 100 mill on a pitcher this year when we can sign wolfe and marques (maybe trade for phillips and harrang) and wait until next year when beckett lee and halladay will all be free agents (unless they sign extensions) … lets face it .. lackey is the best pitcher availble as a free agent, but i would rather be patient, sign guys for cheaper and for depth that can get the job done and wait until next year to make a big starting pitching free agent splash … do i believe pitching wins championships? yes. but i dont feel lackey is the guy that we should dump that much money into .. the only guy i would overpay for right now is matt holliday .. plug him into the number 4 spot in the lineup, along with the upgrade at C, and hopefully a new second basemen, and we are looking at a very solid team
Yeah, I agree. I’d love to SIGN Beckett. Yankee fans will be so jealous
Even though I would not be opposed to giving up a lot of prospects not named Davis, the Mets would not have to go that far for Doc. Similar to the Santana fallout, the Blue Jays are no longer in a power bargaining position, and the Mets are one of 2-4 teams that can pay Roy. They might be able to swoop in. Also, I am in favor of more money, fewer years, and then go after a Bedard/Harden rather than Lackey…
In reguards to Halladay, the man is old now (considering what they are likely to ask for him) and will be even older at the end of what will probably be a 7 year contract extention. Frankly he’s just not worth what Toronto was asking for him. If the Mets are going to trade those kind prospects for a player, it had better be for someone that is younger, reasonable priced and is a real difference maker on the field everyday not just once every five days. (I.E. Adrian Gonzales) If Halladay was say 27 then it makes alot more sense to give up the chips for him and sign the extension, but he’s 32 now, 33 at mid-season. He’ll be almost 40 at contracts end! Does that really make sense for the Mets to do given the state of our minor league system. Roy’s a fine pitcher, but he’s just not worth what they are asking for, especially when you figure in what he’s gonna want in terms of contract length.
Who said I’ll give him 7 years. When I’ll let him go will probably when he is 37 or 38
what your not remember is that he has 1 year left on his current contact AND a no trade clause .. he will not OK a trade unless he negotiates a 6-7 year extension with that team (like with santana) .. so he WILL be 40 at the end of his new contract .. plus a team is not going to give up their best prospects for a one year rental..
Wow. Ur good! I wouldn’t want Halladay if we would be sucked into a contract like that.
Yes. To the question, Would you rather sign Matt Holliday this year, or Joe Mauer next year? But doing so would be much more difficult than their ability to sign Holliday this year. Not saying I really want Holliday but more teams could be in on Mauer next year. And yes Heyman in a d-bag.
It likely not going to be a choice, that’s what Halladay was talking in terms of length at the trade deadline in ‘09. Even if you shave a year off and call it a 6 year extension he’s still gonna be 39 at the end. ANd at the money he’ll be making there is no way you will be able to move him at 37 or 38, the man is good but he’s not Nolan Ryan good. I’m not discounting his talent, I’d love to have him, but not at the cost of gutting the farm and commiting long term to a soon to be 33 year old pitcher. (remember Pedro?……..think about it) Obviously it stands to reason Halladay has more in the tank than Pedro did then, but Myself and every other Met fan saw how fast he declined (as most pitchers do ) with age. It’s just never a good idea to do more than 3 or 4 years on a pitcher of that age.
So then we should get LAckey!
But still, most of the players we have are in their prime and if we have a great offseason we could be WS Champs!
If the Mets were to sign Holiday for LF and somehow managed to weasel both Arroyo and Phillips from the Reds we would’nt need Halladay or Lackey. If they can get those 3 things done, I wouldn’t say the team would be perfect, but certainly pointed in the right direction!
would rather trade for phillips and harrang … hes a fly ball pitcher in a hitters ballpark
yes, but Harang had shoulder issues in ‘09 with his contract dollars I would think the ever durable Arroyo would be a safer bet. Not too mention Arroyo has always beat the Mets, that would be one less headache the Mets would have to face, heck sign Joel Pinero too and we’d instantly pick up 6 wins a year! lol
hahah why stop there? trade for jeff suppan and jeff weaver!!
lol, sounds like a hundred win season right there!
Not sure on Halladay either. Just waiting for something to give out on him given he pitched close to 500 innings over the last two seasons. Think Boston would entertain a Beckett for Reyes swap?
Are you for real. I would never trade away the core. As of now, the core,(Johan, Beltran, Wright and Reyes shouldn’t be traded and should end their carrer with the Mets. I though like the thought of Beckett coming to the Mets. Who would they want though?
I know halladay will be 33 next year, but I think he has 3-4 good years lelf in him. he is a big guy and yes he has a lot of innings over the last two seasons but he doesnt make that many pitches per start because he is efficient with his pitches.
I wouldnt trade the farm for him, maybe f-mart niese, parnell and havens and then sign him to a 4 year deal.
Agree. At the age of 37 or 38. I’d figure he’ll be at the end of his line then.
If they could get Roy Halladay to sign a 4 year deal, I’m all for it, provided it doesn’t totally gut the farm. But another team would certainly give him atleast 5 years which I think is just nuts for a pitcher his age.
like i wrote above… halladay is not going to OK a trade unless hes agreed on at least a 6 year extension .. in a perfect world we would get lucky again and then sign him to a 4 yr extension but thats not going to happen with a pitcher of his stature
how do you know how many years he wants???
??? hes an outstanding but aging pitcher … he (just like every other player in sports) wants to get the big payday while hes still young and good enough .. thats why pedro and wagner wanted the guaranteed 4th year in their contracts .. would i love halladay on the 2010,2011, and 2012 mets? of course… but i would not want him locking up money with this franchise while he is that old .. now if we didnt have santana it would be a different story.. but we have an ace
sure, any pitcher will want a 6 year contract at his age, but would any team give him that? I doubt it.
thats what im trying to say … even with the mets and blue jays agree on a deal, halladay will not OK the trade unless he gets an extension .. this is what happened with santana .. the mets had a window to negotiate with santana and his agent where santana had the upper hand because of the time limit.. the same thing will happen with halladay and he will get the amount of years he wants
yes he will!
so im saying…. as good as he is .. forget about him for now, there are too many holes on this team to fixate on one player .. especially when we can fill most of the holes through free agency
I understand the arguments againist Halladay but the guy is good, i’d give him six years, in six years who knows how guys like pelfrey, neise will have turned out? We can easily slot him down in the rotation, yes at the time we clearly will be over paying him, but if getting him for the next four years means overpaying him for the next two, i am all for it. I don’t care about the sixth year of the contract at this point and it is especially not going to be the breaking point of the deal
Ideally I’d like to sign Halladay to five years, plus a team option for the sixth year but as I said if he wants the sixth year i would give it to him, he’s great and nobody can predict what he will be like at 37 or 38.
Also, isn’t now the time to win, 2 more years of Beltran, if he doesn’t sign an extension, Johan in his prime, come on, getting Halladay would be a great move i’d be estatic.
id give Doc six years, thats right about when santana will be up anyway. the thing with doc is he knows how to pitch, he is a pitcher not a thrower so i think as long as he doesnt get injured he has many good years left. on the other hand, id rather use my pieces to land us adrian gonzalez and sign lackey. id take those 2 over holliday and halladay anyday. holliday cant touch gonzalez offensively and defensively and is older. hallday is better than lackey, but lackey is the perfect 2 pitcher, which is what we need.
As much as I want Halladay but Reillys5 is right. HE is ABSOLUTELY right. He will make this team better but we will have him for 3 extras years that we don’t want him. By getting Holliday maybe LAckey, Phillips, Wolf, Molina, Arroyo or Harang, the team will improve a lot.
thanks man
The thing you forgot is that Agon will cost us like 6 prospects which we don’t want to move now.