The guys at Amazin Avenue ran a poll this weekend regarding Omar Minaya, and his future with the Mets, which they asked me to also run on MetsBlog.
So, here it is…
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It’s kinda the wrong time for this poll anyway.
I mean, ‘currently want him to return’ is pretty vague. He’s here, and generally it’s bad things that get GMs fired, so OF COURSE I want him to return next year, as that probably means success happened.
Hi Ceetar!
Frankly, this poll was being a little too kind. It should have probably had another option like “I want him gone yesterday”.
hey cver. Long time no chat..
Want him gone yesterday or not, it’s too late for that. You can’t fire a GM in the midst of dealing with hot stove stuff, so we’re ’stuck’ with him. And if the Mets _are_ successful, there is no way he’s getting fired next year anyway.
I could try and be cute and write “that’s why I said ‘yesterday’”, but I’d prefer to say that I think you can fire a GM right in the midst. Why not? Are you telling me that some catastrophe would have befallen the Mets worse than we saw in 09, if Omar had been fired just before he signed Ollie to 3 years and 36 million? For all I know, he could do something fabulous, but I’d lost faith in him a year ago at least and I think that we are in worse shape from last offseason then before. K-ROD was a decent pickup, but I think the jury’s even still out on that.
I really like the poll options here Matt. The reason why is because what continues to surprise me is that there are a lot of people who don’t realize that your offseason can be successful even though your season may not be.
A lot of Monday Morning QB’s … all of which felt the team looked great going into 2009, and now after all of the freakish injury problems are quick to say “I told you so!” when things don’t work well.
It would be amazing if someone could put together a system where people had to put together an opinion before and couldn’t change it later … i.e. voting data linked to the site account, so that you can literally see that 85% of the people who said “I like the Omar did and I think we have a great chance going into the season” were the same people who now say “he needs to go based on his 2009 off-season”.
I was fairly content with the 2009 roster as it was originally constructed and thought Omar did a solid job, and although I was let down with the result of the season, I wont pretend I knew it was going to be a failure.
+10
and yet 30% don’t care of the offseason is a success, only the season…
I guess these are the people who are looking for him to trade the farm for a few 35+ guys.
A GM going into a season with a win now or I get fired mentality can ruin a team for a decade much more likely than he can build a WS team…
Hi OB and great idea. I was not content with the 2009 roster as it was originally constructed and said so at the time. Omar didn’t address the offense and he signed Ollie instead of Lowe, among other goofs. Right now, one of the big mistakes that I’m fearful of is how they are dealing with CF and SS. I’m not convinced that Beltran and Reyes had the surgeries that they needed and that they can be counted on for full productive seasons in 2010. I’m sure Omar is doing the Pollyanna thing and is counting on them and has no backup plan. I definitely would try to get someone like Orlando Cabrera to back Reyes up and probably take over 2B, just in case Reyes is alright. With Beltran, he probably should have had the microsurgery in July or August. I have a hunch that the reasons he didn’t were partially that he didn’t want to, because it’s a bit risky and he just didn’t want to face the music. Also, with the Mets at that point only having him signed for another 2 years, sucking whatever they could out of his remaining 2.5 years was an “acceptable risk” for them compared with throwing a whole year out with downtime and rehab. The bad joke here is the worst case scenario (not saying it will happen, but you never know) – Omar signs him to an extension, he hobbles through 2010 mostly on the DL, then has the surgery in Jan 2011 and only comes back at halfstrength in 2012 (or they rush him back and he gets another injury – sounds crazy, but we’ve seen this stuff before).
Sorry to be so negative. You are right in that some folks were real happy heading into 2009 and why not?! Why should I spend my life crying about the sky falling. It’s just that it was – and I was whining about it a bit, as I am now, out of concern:)
” I was not content with the 2009 roster as it was originally constructed and said so at the time”
THANK YOU!!!
You see, saying this now is pointless though, because who can believe you? :)
In fact, many people who were happy with the moves Omar made in the off-season actually forgot they were happy (the same way that Roger Clemens made himself believe over time that he didn’t really take steroids). People can convince themselves enough to change their own perception of history.
That’s why a “put up or shut up” type system where people are forced to judge players/trades/signings when they happen and can be called out later if they change their stance would be cool, because then we’d be saying “Hey Rorschach, you were right man”
It is not about people believing me (of course)..it’s about the team being doomed from the beginning. It is refreshing to see someone else saw it too. It’s hard to find a realistic fan these days when most fans are content with bad moves.
I hated the Ollie signing as well … but I really liked the K-Rod and Putz moves, thinking it shored up our primary hole. I wasn’t expecting Reyes, Delgado and Beltran to all spend the season on the DL.
Vegas odds makers (the most accurate expert judges in the world – because they have to be) also liked Omar’s off-season, as they had the Mets having the BEST chance to go to the World Series from the NL when the season started.
Overall, on paper, the Mets had a very good team going into the season, and many felt one of the best teams. It’s tough, last year was painful to watch. Slow torture.
That’s a slight fallacy, in that Vegas is not judging the Mets chance to go to the World Series, but the fans (or gamblers) perception of it. A lot of people were happy with, and bet on, the Mets getting there, therefore the odds were lower.
Lowe didn’t have a good season, and the Braves are rumored to be trading him. Wolf would be the guy, in retrospect, you could point to.
slight, maybe, but not entirely. Vegas cannot afford to be a slave of gambler popularity. In fact, you could argue it often goes the other way. Sometimes they will raise the odds on what the public thinks is a winner to lure more people into making a bad bet.
While it’s possible the Mets were not THE top choice among all experts, they were certainly one of the top teams per most experts going into 2009.
What concerned me in 2009 was the starting rotation. After Santana, there was a huge dropoff and a lot of longshots being counted on (Pelfrey, Maine, Perez). Outside of that, the team matched up well (or better) than any NL team. I was happy with the offense and the bullpen going into 2009, and the offense was crushed by injury almost losing the entire top 5.
I remember posting on here last season I wanted Krod Garland and Dunn. Now Garland may not be the best pitcher and hindsight goes towards Wolf of the ollie/garland/wolf class of pitchers. But either way I did not want Ollie and I desperately wanted Dunn bc he’d be cheap could play LF then move to 1st when Delgado left. I said that so many times I took on all the dopes that pointed to his K rate and hitters park in cincy. I was very vocal about a lack of power on this team. I know how I felt last offseason, while I couldn’t predict such an awful 2009 I did not think we were good enough to win the division maybe make a wildcard run. But honestly at this point with our new stadium, ticket prices, and all the money the wilpons make going into a season as a hopeful wildcard team is not going to cut it when it comes to offseason moves.
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