In the Detroit News, Lynn Hemming says, ‘Miguel Cabrera might be as available as Curtis Granderson, Edwin Jackson, or seemingly any Tigers player.’
According to Lynn, the Tigers have yet to receive a significant trade request for Cabrera.
Additionally, Lynn quotes Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski as saying, “I’m not getting into any names.”
… ok, so, the Tigers haven’t been offered an enticing deal for cabrera, who is no more or less available in trade than any other player on the team, and the GM will not say one way or another who is or isn’t available… yet, this didn’t stop hemming from dedicating 1,000 words to an entire article speculating on cabrera’s availability, and what the Red Sox would have to trade to get him…
…basically, hemming’s premise here is, because there is no evidence he isn’t available, we should talk about him being available… nevertheless, ESPN Rumor Central and MLB Trade Rumors then enter posts titled, ‘Cabrera on the block?,’ to which their entire post should technically read, ‘I don’t know,’ because, frankly, neither does hemming…
…sometimes i feel like these guys are reporting in the Bizarro Rumor Mill…
Update, 10:44 am:
…no, it would not surprise me to see cabrera traded, because he is essentially signed to a six-year, $106 million deal, which, frankly, is totally fair… but, until i see some pro-evidence suggesting it will happen, i don’t want to think about if he can be had or not…
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There’s so much speculation as to how the economy will affect the trade market, that fans and even many columnists and beat reporters are salivating at the thought of just who could become available who would otherwise NEVER be available. Expect non-rumors like this to keep popping up until the economy improves.
He is probably not available, but if he is, he is not what I want for the Mets. He plays with no heart, or effort. He is going to be looking for along term deal which is not a good idea because all the Mets need is a one year bridge to Ike Davis. Sign Delgado for one year.
he is signed to a long term deal (6 years remaining)
he is an offensive monster
Davis can play the OF where his arm would be a positive.
The lazy Cabrera will win you a lot more games next year then the gritty Murphy.
this is the kind of player you might be able to get…due loads of money that they may not want to be on the hook for. He is an offensive monster, has already made the move to 1B, he certainly would be an upgrade to our team.
Ike Davis could very well be needed in that trade though. If you could trade just one of him or Fmart, then I’d be interested in what else Detroit would want. We get our 1B and get to keep a top offensive prospect that can play the OF.
I dont mind speculating about this trade.
if the tigers are looking to move salary though, its gonna be the older guys first. Guillen and Magglio are the ones that are one the decline and owed millions of dollars. They just wont return as much talent as Cabrera would fetch.
The Tigers have a bunch of bad contracts they would probably prefer to move, but most of them as so inflated I don’t know who would take them on.
I guess that is why they appear to be shopping the players who do have some value. Moving Cabrera gives them the most bang for the buck, or in this case ‘buck for the bang’ ? ;)
I presume the awful economy in Detroit has a lot to do with everyone’s presumption that the Tigers are having a garage sale this winter. Everyone must be available…
I agree that Magglio is the first they would like to unload but:
1) $23M this year (I think) is not chump change and $106 overall. Ordonez is due $18M (+/-) this year only.
2) Nobody, in this economy, is goin’ a callin’ on Magglio.
3) The Tigers aren’t exactly going anywhere
4) We really don’t have the excess talent that would get AGon. After he is off the market there will be few suitors.
5) The only real teams that can take on that salary are the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgters, Angels, and Mets. The Yankees have Tex, the RS would likely get AGon, I can’t see the Angels going after him with Morales, and the Dodgers may not have salary room. That leaves the Mets and perhaps the Dodgers. If the Tigers really need to move him and the Mets are the only team that they can trade to, then it may be Santana II in which case we may be able to keep Davis for LF. Optimistic, but it is the season to give thanks.
Breaking News: The Mets just didn’t announce that they haven’t signed Jeff Francis to a three year deal.
(Actually, Francis might be available and might be a guy they could grab cheap and see if he’s healthy (I saw him running the steps at Coors Field a month ago, so he’s likely to be ready for Spring) and could contribute.
Jeff Francis is a good talent, but I’m pretty sure the Rockies have him in their plans for 2010, especially since he gave them nothing in 2009.
I need SOMETHING solid, anybody have any ideas what the first move out of the omar camp is gonna be? I am getting impatient!
Last year nothing happened until the winter meetings. Hang in another 2 weeks man.
until i see some pro-evidence suggesting it will happen, i don’t want to think about if he can be had or not…
Detroit unemployment = no revenues
Cabrera $106M
evidence is implicit.
Jeff Francis is a good talent, but I’m pretty sure the Rockies have him in their plans for 2010, especially since he gave them nothing in 2009.
I think Cabrera is actually due $126M over the next 6 years. I read the payouts for the next 6 years are $20M, 20M, 21M, 21M, 22M and 22M. I think it was Jayson Stark or Buster who had the salary breakdown.
And that being said, I’d trade Brad Holt , Fernando Martinez, Ruben Tejada and whoever else to get him! I would then try to make Ike Davis a LF.
See above. we may be the only real suitors. If that is the case, and the Tigers are in need of jettisoning a big salary then your deal may actually be too rich. Regardless, I think it would be safe to assume we keep Davis.
What’s going on with Magglio Ordonez’s contract situation? He has an option for 2010, no? Is he a non-tender candidate?
his option for 2010 vested. But, from Cot’s:
2011 option guaranteed at $15M if Ordonez has:
135 starts or 540 PAs in 2010, or
270 starts or 1,080 PAs in 2009-10
I’m not sure how it would work for 2011 if they non-tendered him.
If I have to pay premium for a player (16+ million per year), Cabrerra is by far the better than Bay or Holliday.
I would take a wild guess that the first person the Tigers ask for would be Ike Davis. Not sure how you would get away with holding him out
We may be the only trading partner and they may be very desperate to move salary given Detroit’s economy.
So Sylow, are you single handedly trying to propogate a rumor here?
Cabrera has a very rich contract and given concerns over his conditioning and approach to the game, Im not convinced he would get that contract if he were a free agent today.
This implies that there is a disconnect between his perceived value and actual value. Therefore, it is seemingly possible that the Tigers would be interested in moving his salary.
But would I as the Mets give up Brad Holt, Fernando Martinez and Ike Davis to get Cabrera? Absolutely not. The only way I would ever give up such a rich contract was if I were getting cheap, controllable talent in return.
Personally, I think a deal like Daniel Murphy, Ike Davis and a lower level prospect with some promise like a Jordan Vallespin and Tobi Stoner would be more than enough to get the deal done.
I’m not sure I’d be comfortable taking on $22 million per year for the next 6 years, but I’m also not comfortable in resting my hopes on a AA 1B who has had like 1 year of MiLB experience. Especially one who doesnt have incredible raw power playing 1B. Im concerned that his skills will translate to 20 HRs and 80 RBI for us, and fans will eat him alive.
1) discussion topic is Cabrera. Not sure where may and might is propigating a rumor. Please be a tad more specific.
2) Detroit’s economy is brutal, their other contracts, while brutal, are infinately more diffricult to move.
3) You appear to disike Cabrera because: ?? He will be 27 and has had MVP finishes of 27, 22, 5, 5, 15, 13, and 4. His lack of conditioning produced an OPS of .942 (5th in AL) and a #4 MVP finish last year. He finished 4th in BA, 6th in OBP, and 6th in SLP. Since 2004 his lack of conditioning has made him miss: 2, 4, 4, 5, 2, and 2 games. What is it that I am missing???? Seriously – what about him is so bad???? IS it that he isn’t “gritty”??? Please be specific.
4) Davis has shown more thaqn Murphy ever did, yet you seem to value Murphy over Davis.
I wholeheartadly disagree with you.
You cant just say “16+ million per year” and assume things to be equal.
If you are talking about 6 years $16 million per year versus 6 years $21 million per year, that is a significant difference of $5 million each year which translates to additional talent.
Although, I only used $16 million as an example because it was your number. I actually think it will be 6 years $17 million to get Holliday. But $4 million is still significant capital.
Also, I think Holliday is a great hitter and a fierce competitor. All around I think hes more of what this organization needs than Cabrera.
Jackson earned $2.2M last year. If there is any truth to the rumor they are trying to move him for salary reasons Cabrera could be had without giving up Davis.
The guy I want the most this offseason is Adrian Gonzalez but If the Mets cant get him which is likely the case then I would love to have Miguel Cabrerra…..He is a Monster
Hey people need to sell newspapers and big-named rumors sell. This is why the offseason sucks! I don’t want to wait 3+ months for pitchers and catchers :(!
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