Buster Olney of ESPN.com believes the Red Sox will need to trade Clay Buchholz and minor leaguer Casey Kelly in a deal to get RHP Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays.
According to FoxSports.com, there is no way the Red Sox will part with both Buccholz and Kelly, however.
…from what i can gather, out of people connected to Toronto, the Blue Jays will ask the Mets for at least Mike Pelfrey and Ruben Tejada; they’ll ask the Yankees for at least one of Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain, and one of Austin Jackson or Jesus Montero; and they have already talked about Chad Billingsley with the Dodgers… according to people who know halladay, the only way he will approve a deal to Los Angeles is if he decides to not push for a contract extension, and instead plans to pitch one season and then take his talent to the open market… otherwise, if he insists on a contract extension, like santana, halladay is far more likely to be traded to the Cubs, Mets, Phillies or Cardinals, followed by the Yankees and Red Sox, since, despite what the team says, the Blue Jays would prefer not to send halladay to the American League… they’ll do it, if they have to, but it’s not their first choice, for obvious reasons…
Olney quotes a team executive as describing this year’s market for Halladay as, ‘Santana 2,’ because of the similarities with Minnesota’s situation with Johan Santana before 2007.
…olney estimates halladay could be in for a $60 to $80 million contract, whereas santana was seeking a seven-year deal, which included his 2007 option year… so, technically, it was a six-year extension… i’m thinking olney paints this price tag because of halladay’s age… i do not want to see him traded to the Mets, if it means giving a 33–year-old pitcher a seven-year contract, on top of next season… but, if he’s seeking a five-year deal, which includes next season, so, say, $90 million through 2015, i think that is reasonable… i’m still not sure it’s smart business… but, it’s a reasonable request on his part…
…in the end, i bet there will be a lot of reports and very little talk, with teams communicating who they are willing to trade… then, at the Winter Meetings, substantive talks will occur, teams will be made aware of who has a chance and who doesn’t, and, it will get quiet again as the Jays decide what they want to do… and, it will be up to guys like Omar Minaya to decide, like he did to much criticism with johan, should he stay on hold, or hang up and work on something else…
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If that is the deal Fmart, Pelfrey, and Tejada for Doc I would do that in a heart beat. I would do that yesterday. The only prospect that I don’t want to see go anywhere is Ike Davis. That deal would allow the Mets to keep all their high reward prospects Holt, Mejia, Parnell, Davis, Havens, and Flores.
No way Im trading Big Pelfrey…I think he will be a solid starting pitcher for many years to come… I would rather sign lackey and keep pelfrey… Im only trading prospects for Doc
I think Pelf could be special, but for F-Mart, Pelf and Tejada and a reasonable (ha,ha) extension….the Mets would have to do the deal.
Pairing Johan and Doc for the next five years makes the Mets instant contenders with the best 1-2 punch in the NL.
I’ll drive em to the airport. Hell, I’ll drive em to Toronto.
I agree with matt 100% about the contract length though. If he wants a Santana/Sabathia type deal I’d pass. If he’ll take 5 years we should be all over it.
Also, I’d rather part with Pelfrey than Mejia. One’s a major league pitcher with a good upside but the other one has a chance to be something really special.
How come I don’t believe that one bit?
Pelfrey is a nice cheap arm. That is my only problem with a deal like that. Would the cost of having Halladay prohibit the Mets from getting Holliday? That is also something that would keep me from pulling the trigger.
Big Pelf and Tejada for Roy Halladay?
Where do I sign?
Santana
Halladay – trade
Pineiro – FA
Ollie/Niese/Misch
Maine/Figgy/Broadway
Quality and depth
Umm… If the Mets get Doc, I doubt they’ll throw another $10-$12 to get Piniero when they still have to spend on LF, C, and potentially 1B
I still feel like they would go out and sign another pitcher because otherwise there would still be many question marks after Santana and Halladay.
If that is all they want for arguably the best pitcher in baseball and you don’t pull the trigger you don’t want to win now. Not to mention he will be pitching to national league line-ups. Ask Lee, Padilla, and Sabathia how that went for them. NO BRAINER. JOHAN AND DOC WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY SICK!!!! Pelfrey is easily replaceble.
you absolutely have to include Pelfrey in a Halladay deal.
Halladay for the next 4-5 years is worth much much more to this team at this time.
Give you a lock down 1A who you can assuredly roll out for 32 starts and 240 plus innings with potential for 10 complete games.
without dominant pitching we are just another middle of the road team.
BTW – while we’re trading with the Blue Jays, maybe we can jettison Ollie & Castillo for Vernon Wells, who collectively represent the trifecta in the contracts from hell.
The Diamond backs won cause of Shilling and Big unit. I think Santana and Halladay out class them both. HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pelfrey and Tejada? Do it. Done. Let’s ship ‘em over and sign Halladay up!
I’d only trade for Doc if the contract extension is reasonable. 4-5 years is good. If he wants a 6-7 years when he is past 40 then I’ll pass.
Even if we get Doc, what bats will we get? So lets say if we have 40 mill to spend. (I rounded the cost for each player)
Doc-15
Wolf or MArquis- 6
Odog-5
Cora-1
Putz or Biemel-2-4
Barajas or Molina 3-5
8 million LF?
Whose the LF?
Oh yeah, just saying I think he’ll end up in Boston and Lackey won’t end up on the Mets.
SS Reyes
2B Hudson
CF Beltran
3B Wright
RF Francour
LF Martinez
1B Ike Davis
C Thole
P Santana
Halliday
Maine
Pelfrey
Perez
Bench: Cora, Pagan…
Felix, I would chose to keep Pelf over Mejia because one has had success in the majors whereas the other can’t even control his fastball yet, so is no sure thing.
Why are people adding F-Mart into the trade if the Jays aren’t even asking for him? I would rather trade Holt than F-Mart. F-Mart still has infinite upside! Don’t go out of our way to get rid of him.
Pelfrey and Tejada? When you said you got that from people connected to Toronto, was that a Mets fan in Toronto? :)
In all seriousness, I understand you were saying a deal WOULD START with those two … but neither of those guys are really worth mentioning. Pelfrey is a nice inning eating pitcher with potential, but his ERA+ last year was 82, after a nice 113 the year before. Is Pelfrey ever going to amount to more than a Randy Wolf / Jason Marquis type pitcher? I have doubts … his 5 strikeouts per 9 reminds us that unless he suddenly because a super-effective sinkerballer (which he hasn’t yet been able to harness) he’s just going to be an innings eater.
I would think the Blue Jays would want a lot more … unless of course they know that Halladay isn’t going to take a trade unless he’s getting a Zito contract.
if we got halladay.we would probably use the rest of cash on offense.
holliday 16
baranjas 3
garko 2
beimel 2 or sign sheets to incentive laden contract
figure at least 17-18mil for halladay would have payroll around 120 before any of the above signings
That is my fear. You get Halladay, then you can’t sign Holliday. I think Holliday is the bigger priority.
It would be cool if the Wilpons decided to ante up, and get both but I can’t blame them for not doing it.
First off. Mike Pelfrey=flash in the pan. and a pitcher that would be better off then the spotlight of NY.
Second- I honestly, and I’ve thought about this for a while now..would trade everyone minus 2 players (Johan and Wright) to get Halladay. Meaning Reyes for Halladay, Beltran for Halladay as one off trades if the Jays ever went as far as that in their counter offers. I think that Halladay is perfect for this team and he and Santana would be so complimentary it would bring fans back after a horrific season.
Third- By trading for Halladay……you can pretty much count on a Josh Willingham type to be our LF next year. In otherwords, I don’t think the Mets can get quality pitching and tremendous offense–I think it’s one or the other.
The way you put that, I wouldn’t want Doc on my team if you’re gonna give up young stars like Reyes and kinda young like Beltran for a kinda old pitcher in Halladay. Doesn’t make sense.
I would like to think we could get a better return than Roy Hallady for Beltran or Reyes.
Halladay is on the wrong side of thirty, and you have to pay him a lot of money. Reyes and Beltran should be able to fetch a lot more respectively.
I think at this point, based on performance and last years injury, Reyes for Halladay is a fair deal. A little less certainty in the younger player for a lot of certainty in the older player.
I think if we did a full court press for Halladay and got him then we should spend the rest of our money on more better pitching and defense. If we are going to be a team built around those two starters and Wright, Reyes, Beltran, then we should commit fully to pitching and defense. Otherwise, if we want an offensive powerhouse we should go full court for Holliday and Polanco and upgrade RF and C.
I am mixed on this.. The players toronto wants for Halliday makes it hard to say no. In away, I rather see the Mets move F-Mart for a Cabrera or Gonzalez. From what i keep hearing is the Mets are a favorite to land Halliday which puzzles me because with the prospects the Redsox have to offer. You would figure Halliday would of been a Redsox by now. It must mean the Jays are reluctant to trade within the division or the AL
Pelfrey and Tejada would not be missed … i would gladly give up those 2 … the question is what else would it take to get it done ….
the less the better …. but for that deal – it would be very hard not to make it. that is a steal, no matter if Pelfrey suddenly decides to get it … which he isn’t giving any indication that he will
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