In a report in today’s Daily News, Anthony McCarren and Bill Madden suggest that a bidding war is on tap between the Yankees and Red Sox for Roy Halladay.
…interesting how the Mets aren’t mentioned at all here, yet i think they have the money and the prospects to get a deal done for Doc, and they were the one’s that swooped in and landed Johan Santana two years ago over these two clubs…not that one has anything to do with the other, but it’s possible that the Mets are quietly pursuing Doc at the moment…
McCarren and Madden believe that for the Yankees to acquire Halladay, the centerpiece of the deal would have to be Jesus Montero, who scouts believe can hit 40 home runs in the Major Leagues, and would also likely have to part with another prospect such as Austin Jackson and either Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain.
…one thing that i do know is the Yankees do an outstanding job at hyping up their prospects…Montero did have a good season for single-A Tampa, but he is just 18 and has a long way to go…
On the flip side, McCarren and Madden wonder if the Yankees would be willing to part with such talent and then sign Halladay to a five year extension in the range that both Johan Santana and CC Sabathia signed for, and potentially be paying both Halladay and Sabathia $46 million when both are over 34 years of age.
…it’s the same reservation i have with the Mets acquiring him…it’s a scary proposition to be paying Halladay the bulk of the contract after age 36…if he would be willing to take a shorter term contract, say in the five year range with an option based on merit, i’d be somewhat more comfortable…
…the one thing that Boston and both New York teams need to consider is this very problem…the question isn’t how he will perform in the next three seasons, it’s how he will perform in the seasons that follow and whether or not he will be effective, let alone productive…when it comes to talent that Doc possesses, i’m not really concerned that he will flame out all of a sudden, but the risk, at that dollar amount, has to be considered for anyone that wants to acquire him…
For more on Halladay and the Red Sox and Yankees, take a look at the Daily News here.
If I was a Blue Jay fan, I would have a hard
time accepting a trade to the Yankees or Red
Sox…especially if a deal could be made out
of the division for the same level of talent. A
pretty risky move for a first year GM if you ask
me. Given that, and watching what is going
on with the Braves and Lowe, I am leaning
toward a Lackey signing. This is going to
be interesting to watch unfold.
I still don’t see the Jays trading Roy Halladay to a divisional rival. It will be like surrendering the division to either NY or Boston for the next 4-5 years.
I would guess their preference will be to trade him to the NL (Chicago, Dodgers, Philadelphia or Mets) where it will balance things up.
I do think this could be Santana 2, but it will be up to the Wilpons to extend the payroll to sign him for 4-5 additional years.
Santana
Halladay
Garland
Perez
Maine
I think they will still have a chance to go after Holliday or Bay for LF:
SS Reyes
2B Castillo
CF Beltran
LF Holliday
3B Wright
RF Francouer
1B Murphy
C Santos
As for payroll, remember that after the 2011 season, the Mets have the following contracts of the books (Beltran – $20MM, Perez – $12MM KRod – $12MM and Castillo $6MM). Assuming Wright ($17MM per year?) and Reyes ($12MM per year?) re-sign, salaries for both Halladay )$22MM) and Holliday ($18MM) won’t be a problem. Out of that group, I can only see Beltran back but probably earning $10-12MM per season. KRod? The Mets should start developing Parnell as his successor in order to manage the budget.
What you put is reasonable but there are still holes you didn’t fill. How about get Bay for 15 or Holliday for 17. Sign Sheets for 6 mill. Sign Wolf or Marquis for 6 mill. Trade CAstillo for bench and bullpen help. Sign Hudson for 5 mill. Sign Barajas or Molina for 3-5 mill. Re-sign Cora for 1 mill. Resign Putz or get Biemel for 2-4 mill.
Total: At the lowest 38 / At the highest 40
I think the MEts won’t spend more than 40 mill this off-season.
I wouldn’t mind watching this team in 2010:
Lineup:
SS Reyes ($9.3MM)
2B Hudson ($4MM)
CF Beltran ($20MM)
LF Holliday ($15MM)
3B Wright ($10.3MM)
RF Francouer ($3.7MM)
1B D Murphy ($450K)
C M Olivo ($3MM)
Rotation:
LHP Santana ($21MM)
RHP Halladay ($15.8MM)
RHP Garland ($5MM)
RHP Maine ($2.9MM)
LHP Perez ($12MM)
Bullpen:
CL K-Rod ($12.2MM)
LHP Alffedlt ($4.5MM)
RHP Parnell ($450K)
LHP Feliciano ($1.8MM)
RHP Stokes ($500K)
RHP Green ($500K)
RHP Nieve ($450K)
Bench:
OF Pagan ($700K)
INF Hernandez ($450K)
C Santos ($450K)
INF/OF Carter ($400K)
OF Sullivan ($500K)
Of course, it requires the Mets to:
1) Sign Holliday – 6yr/$102MM
2) Trade for Halladay (Pelfrey, Tejada, D Gee and another minor leaguer) + contract extension (4yr/70-80MM + team option)
3) Trade Castillo for J Alffedelt in a three way deal? (solves two issues, setup for K-Rod and another LHP in the bullpen)
4) Sign Hudson – 2yr/8MM
5) Sign M Olivo – 2yr/6MM (can he get along with Reyes?)
6) Sign Garland – 1yr/$5MM
7) The Wilpons approving a payroll of +$145MM
If they wanted to be below $140MM, they could gamble in the rotation by not signing Garland and giving Niese (if not included in the Halladay deal) the 5th spot in the rotation.
Nice post. But saying you really got me convinced at first. I’d make the changes with Olivo. Get Barajas instead. Get Cora Cheap. 750k-1m. I like the idea of getting Affeldt. Although, your post made it 43 ill without my changes. To make it 41 mill, take out Holliday and sign BAy for 15 mill. That’s more reasonable being at 41 mill.
Maine and Franceour are arbitration eligible.. They will make more than you are projecting
Probably, but I don’t see significant increases to players this year…unless you are Verlander or Jackson from the Tigers.
As for Maine and Francouer:
- Maine spent about two months on the DL (was hurt in 2008 too) and made only 15 starts. Earn $2.6MM in 2009
- Francouer may have played well for the Mets, but he still finished .280/.309/.423. His OPS (.732) was 18th among ML RFers. Earned $3.2M this year.
If they both were non-tendered, they could actually end up with a lower salary than 2009 due to the economy. Feliciano may be the one receiving a higher number in arbitration, due to his durability and low Era.
That is a good enough team to keep up
(not dominate) the Phillies, Braves and marlins. I really hope the Wilpons do what they said at the end of last year and pony up.
I just love their chances if they get into a 5 or 7 games series in the playoffs due to their 1-2 punch. They could dominate the way Schilling and Johnson did in 2001. Of course, they need to get into the playoffs first, something they have not achieved since 2006! ;-(
You cannot make the Santana trade a 2nd time. $150mil, plus trade the likes of Davis, FMart, Mejia, Holt is too heavy of a price for a guy, like it says here, will be north of 35 for a large chunk of his contract.
Of course the Mets aren’t mentioned. Typical Yankee-biased media.
I agree….but what if the Blue Jays are intent
on seeing what the out of division offers are
and the Phillies get involved? Ouch!
I don’t see the Phillies in the Halladay sweepstake. They need to re-sign Lee first, to lock a long term 1-2 with Hamels. They will focus on other areas such as 3B, with Feliz becoming a FA.
I totally agree. I think I just wrote something about the Phils not being in the sweepstakes. It’s just bluff.
Please, not Halladay. Too much in prospects and money.
I doubt Omar will do it. I won’t be upset but I wouldn’t want Doc in a contract after he is 40. It’s insane. A 4-5 year extension is enough. (When he’s 37 to 38.) I bet Boston will get him since they have to compete with the Yanks.
Okay well somebody is going to get Halladay. Every team has the same concerns, the yankees payroll is excessive and i know that they always have an excessive payroll but they did mention they don’t want to give out long term contacts. Still, would we rather see the yankees add halladay? If not them, what about the phillies? Are we not going to get involved in this because of the money or the prospects or whatever? This needs to be looked into, the Wilpons needs to open their wallets up and pay for Halladay.It has to be looked into. I don’t mean doing everything possible but I don’t want to hear their is a bidding war between the yanks and red sox and no mention of the mets, i mean come on. We are the NEW YORK mets, and it’s time to start acting like it
Arre. The Mets have to be more aggressive to get him but again, hate to say it but , I think he’s going to Boston. But hey, if we get Doc, we can fill LF with Ankiel or Willingham.
*Agree
If we get Doc I may even leave Pagan in LF but if we had that I might be more inclined to resign Delgado and that is really not something I want to do but if he can hit for power then that fills that void and Pagan is not a bad player. He is quick and can play good defense.
The thing with Doc is I really want him as I’m sure my previous comments have shown but I don’t want us to lay down and let the Yankees/Phillies have him, I want the mets to put in effort to try and land him and if they don’t/can’t then that’s fine but I do not want to see possibly the best pitcher in baseball in a Phillies or Yankees uniform next season.
Yeah agree with you all the way. I want Halladay too. I just can’t see the Mets competing with the Red Sox. Frankly, I can”t see the Phillies getting him. They’re just bluffing. The Yanks and Red Sox are serious though. I think Boston will get him because 1) They have to kkep up with the Yanks
2) They have the prospects and the money
3) They’re fans will be pissed if they don’t get him.
4) IMO, they’ll have the best 1-2 punch and 1-2-3 punch in baseball.
Doc > CC
Beckett > AJ
Lester > Wang
So if the Mets do this:
Sign BAy for 15 or Holliday for 17. Sign Sheets for 6 and Wolf or MArquis for 6. Trade Castillo for bench and bullpen help. Sign Hudson for 5 mill. Sign Barajas for 3 or Molina for 5. Resign Cora for 1 and Putz or get Biemel for 2-4 mill.
At the lowest that is 38 mill and for the highest that is 40 mill which is reasonable.
That’s exactly why I just can’t see (or shouldn’t be allowed?) the Jays trading Halladay to the AL East. Imagine Toronto having to face the following rotations for the next 4-5 years (38 games per season or 21% of the games):
Boston:
1- Halladay
2- Beckett
3- Lester
4- Matsuzaka
5- Wakefield/Doubront/Tazawa/Gonzalez
Yankees:
1- Sabathia
2- Burnett
3- Lackey (reaction after losing Halladay to the Soxs)
4- Huges
5- Pettite/Chamberlain/Mitre/Kennedy/Gaudin
NOTE: I think Wang will be non-tender by the Yankees, which could turn into a good cheap incentive type gamble for the Mets?
” …and potentially be paying both Halladay and Sabathia potentially $46 million …”
Michael Baron of the Department of Redundancy Department.
Have you ever proof read anything you’ve posted????
Gee…Tide. You have nothing better to do then critique and proof a blog?
Come on, your life has to be more exciting than that, isn’t there anything you can be doing on Thankgiving weekend. Anything has to be better then grading english papers on a Sunday night. Go play Bingo at the VFW.
Does anyone else not care about rumors this offseason? Maybe its because the team was horrible last year but I just don’t care about this stuff anymore. Wake me up when someone makes a trade/signs someone. I just hate how the offseason works now, it doesn’t even start until Christmas time and with guys like Boras out there no free agents sign and everyone is waiting for someone else to make the first move. I’m just over all this non-sense. Let me know when we fill one of our gaping holes.
Nobody seems to understand that we only have ONE solid major league prospect.
I’ve been pushing for a long time to rebuild the farm system with major league talent, and as such I think we need to make Ike Davis pretty much untouchable. However, since he is the only major league talent we have in the minor leagues, I say anybody else is available in a trade.
The Blue Jays would be absolutely stupid to trade Doc to the Mets and NOT get Davis in return. Therefore, we have no chance of getting Halladay without including Davis, which means I hope we don’t do it.
I don’t think that the JAys would have to get Davis. The Jays would just be overall dunb if they trade him to the AL East because that’s just saying goo-bye to the next 5 years.
I agree. This is the season to sign free agents and maintain the farm not to mention hold on to the 7th pick in the draft. Basically every need we have can be resolved with just money without hurting our current farm.
In spite of all the bad publicity from the NY media, the Mets have more than 1 talented prospect in the minors. They are just no ready for the start of the 2010 season.
I assume you’re talking about Jenrry Mejia? He of the 12.56 ERA in the Arizona Fall League?
Look apparently the guy has a great arm, but that’s it. He hasn’t demonstrated any sort of breaking pitch or off-speed pitch, and doesn’t seem to have any ability to throw a strike. Therefore, I refuse to call him a prospect.
And that’s why Mejia *IS* a prospect, great talent but still need more innings in the minors.
Just to name a few:
1) Jenry Mejia – a 20 year old who is already at AA level and has a fastball in the mid to high 90s. You don’t see too many pitchers of that age playing above low A class. He can reach the ML level by 2012, and still be young enough for a ML career. Being a prospect is not just about his ERA, but rather his talent.
2) Fernando Martinez – Guess what, in spite of all the talk, he already reached the MLs, at the age of 20 years old. Same as Mejia, he can spend the next two years at AAA and be young enough (both Reyes and Wright reach the ML at 22) to become a superstar. He needs to stay healthy, something Reyes lack off at that age too
3) Ike Davis – We already know about him, he is 22 years old.
4) Reese Havens – 23 years old, out of collage. Don’t be surprise to see him with the Mets in 2010, if an injury occurs. His move to 2B will allow him to move quicker through the organization.
5) Wilmer Flores – 18 year old, 6’3”, 175lb who has great bat speed, strike zone recognition and power. Did I mention he is just 18 years old?? He has the chance to fly through the farm system
I just mention 5, there are others like Brad Holt who dominated Class A in 2008 and 2009, before an ankle injury affected his performance in AA. Add to the list Jefry Marte, R Tejada, J Familia and a sleeper in K Nieuwenhuis
Just don’t buy into the NY Media, they are and always will be bias for the Yankees. You can read more about Mets prospects on several web sites.
1) I haven’t lived in the New York area for about 8 years. I fully understand what you’re talking about with the Yankees bias, but it in no way affects my train of thought regarding the Mets farm system.
2) You appear to be quite an optimist. You say Jenrry Mejia has “talent”. I read that to mean “he throws hard”. Like I said in the above post, he has no off-speed or breaking pitches to speak of. There are a million stories of hard-throwers who failed at the major league level (Kyle Farnsworth anybody)? Until I hear about Mejia developing something other than a hard fastball, he’s not a top-end prospect.
3) Fernando Martinez. Sure, we keep hearing about how hard he can hit a batting practice fastball. However, the fact is that he hasn’t proven anything at the minor league or major league level. The ONLY reasons he was called up last year were the ridiculous number of Mets injuries, and Omar’s inability to build a deep minor league system. He was in no way ready for the major leagues and it showed. Injuries + lack of any kind of productivity means raw prospect, same as Jenrry Mejia. Until they begin to produce, I don’t see a prospect there.
4) Reese Havens. He did hit 14 homers last year with a fairly decent on-base percentage. However, he hit .247 each of the past two years. He’s 23 years old. If he doesn’t reach the majors in the next two years he’ll be a 25-26 year old rookie who has so far hit no higher than .247 in the minors. Call me crazy but I’m not optimistic about that.
5) Wilmer Flores = Fernando Martinez two years ago. So far away from the major leagues…. predicting he’ll be a major league star simply based on his raw tools is absurd. There are so many things he needs to develop in the next few years (improved batting eye, power, footwork at shortstop, etc.) that it seems foolish to assume he’ll develop all of them at the level necesary to become a major leaguer. Could he? Sure. Will he? Completely separate question.
In conclusion, you seem to think I’m overly negative about the Mets farm system because of the “New York Media Bias”. Unfortunately I don’t live in New York and have developed my own un-biased opinions of our farm system. It is my contention that you are inanely optimistic about the Mets farm system because you read sites like Metsblog and don’t stop to think about actual production.
In no way do I mean to offend anybody with this post; i just enjoy the banter, and I fully believe the Mets farm system is garbage outside of Ike Davis.
Montero actually turned 20 yesterday so if he is what they say he is, he should coming through the ranks soon.
can we just get a list of anyone (if there is anyone) who doesnt want to play for the crankees so we dont have to start every other post with blahblahblah wants to play for them…
I really don’t think Toronto wants to trade Halladay within the division. It shows the jays are not willing to compete in th AL East by padding the Yankees to another division title or pushing the Redsox over. I do feel Toronto is up against a wall and forced by Halladays no trade clause to take what they can get. I do believe the Jays want a NL team for Halladay. The Mets could be a team to be a perfect match with prospects and the money for an extension. Halladay has met only with the Dodgers in the NL and said he would not waive his no trade clause if he was traded. It shows how much Halladay is in control not the Jays. If he wanted the Mets ? It could cost less or lesser prospects than the Yankees or Redsox.
I’ll have no problem with Doc as a Met. The thing is, I think Boston will get him because the Mets aren’t really trying to trade for him.
Boston has a good chance I’d say but they are in the division and Toronto can’t be that stupid. I wouldn’t count Omar out of things like this
I’d be happy if Doc came here. Then we can get Ankiel for LF. We can trade Castillo for some bench and bullpen help and sign Hudson. Sign Barajas or Molina for catcher. Then for your #3 starter you can get Wolf or Marquis. Resign Cora and get Biemel or Resign Putz. The thing is THAT CAN HAPPEN! The lowest total for that is 38 mill! The highest total is 40 mill! You can’t go wrong with that. Although, as I keep on saying. The MEts have to really compete with the Red Sox with this since the Red Sox are probably angry that their rivals won the WS and that they have to compete with the YAnks in years to come. I’m sorry JohantheMan, but it is possible but I doubt Omar will do it. He’ll proably go my way with getting Bay or Holliday, getting Sheets and Wolf or MArquis, getting Hudson, getting BBarajas and Molina and etc.
What I THINK will happen is I think we’ll sign holliday and sign molina and I am really unsure of the pitching situation. I haven’t heard us linked to Lackey in a while though he’d be an ideal choice and I would love Halladay but I’m not sure if that will happen, it’s really interesting and I’d like to see what happens.
If he goes your way, the Mets will still be fielding a pretty good team in 2010 and should be in contention for the Wild Card. ;-)
Rotation may not be a strong as other top teams like Phillies (Lee-Hamels), Cardinals (Carpenter-Wainwright), Giants (Lincecum-Cain), Braves (Vazquez-Jurrjens) and of course Boston (Beckett-Lester) and Yankees (Sabathia-Burnett). Still, they will have a competitive team while keeping their best prospect in the farm system.
Another option that could work for the Mets, E Jackson from the Tigers. I’m just not sure what will take to trade for him (although they want to cut payroll) and have to remember that he is a Boras client). So expect him to leave as FA after 2011 season.
Santana
Wolf
Jackson
Pelfrey
Perez.
For the rotation, with the Mets getting Holliday or Bay, Barajas or Molina and Hudson etc. They will probably get one of Sheets, Harden or Bedard as their #2 and as their #3 they can get Wolf or Marquis.
Is it possible to sign Lackey, Sheets and Bedard, make a trade for Cabrera to play first and get maybe even Jackson in a blockbuster if the Tigers are really looking to trim payroll and pick 1 of Bedard/Sheets. Get a defense oriented LF since the power will be coming from 1st base. My first chiose would be A-Gon but doesn’t seem like thats gonna happen. Comments?
Sorry but you lost me in the 1st sentence. Are you saying to sign one of the 3 you said are all 3?
all 3
So you ar saying to sign all 3 of LAckey, Sheets and Bedard. Absoulutley not. The MEts also have to work on a LF’er, Catcher and 2nd base. Also, they need to get a couple bench and bullpen guys while they are at it.
*choice
Its unconscionable to me that a met writer would so easily call another pitcher DOC.
It’s not as bad as LT in football, but c’mon Doc is a met legend, call the man ROY. I know it’s nitpicky, but like everything else with the mets lately, it pisses me off.
It would be sweet if the Mets beat the Yankees & Redsox to Halladay with lesser prospects. I doubt very much the Mets aren’t interested. I believe Omar is leaving Halladay as an option. I do believe the Mets will try and make a big trade before signing thier first free agent.
It depend s what big trade you are talking about. If it is for Agon, he won’t be traded so forget about it. If it is for Phillips or ROY, then that’s a different story. Although, I believe that Phillips won’t be traded either and ROY will probably end up in Boston. But we still have a chance right?