“A number of clubs have shown interest in Mets OF Angel Pagan,” according to John Paul Morosi of FoxSports.com.
In November, Adam Rubin of the Daily News said the Royals are impressed with Pagan, and would be willing to send money and OF Jose Guillen to the Mets to get him.
However, though Morosi believes the Royals like Pagan, he adds, “the Mets don’t have interest in Guillen.”
Pagan will be eligible for salary arbitration each of the next three seasons, after which he can become a free agent. He was drafted by the Mets in 1999.
Pagan hit .303 in 152 at bats last season when leading off the inning, while batting .321 with runners in scoring position.
Unless it is a clear win for the Mets, they should not trade Pagan. He is am excellent 4th OF and, IMO, falls just a bit short of being a VERY solid everyday CF. It would be a mistake to trade him for anything other than say, solid pitching. Again, all just my opinion.
I like Pagan, I think we should hang onto him unless he’s part of a trade for a superstar.
While Pagan is far from untouchable, I wouldn’t trade him for the sake of getting him of this team. There are rumors that were reported throughout the summer about how some Mets officials were not enamored with Pagan’s mental lapses.
Still, he’s an ideal 4th outfielder that can hit a little, has good speed and can play all three outfield positions. He is an asset to this team, so, unless the Mets are getting value, I would not trade him.
Problem I have zero faith in this organization’s brain trust to get any value at all in any trade.
It’s been a while since I’ve felt that this team was being run by inept people. It’s not as bad as the Al Harazin days, but it’s getting close.
This offseason should be simply for the Mets: (1) sign Matt Holliday; (2) sign John Lackey; (3) increase payroll.
pretty sure 1 and 2 will more than take care of 3… if they happen, that is
The Santana trade wasn’t getting something back much more valuable than they gave up?
Minaya has made some good trades during his time as the Mets Gm:
Lo Duca – Gaby Hernandez & Dante Brinkley
Delgado – Jacobs, Petit & Grant Psomas
Putz – Heilman, Chavez and prospects
Maine – Kris Benson
El Duque – Jorge Julio
At the time of all these trades, us fans were all happy and none of them have come back to haunt us. I have faith that Minaya knows how to get good value back from trades.
My only concern with Minaya is is lack of making trades that could have been available. Minaya, your telling me we couldn’t have gotten Ramirez a few years ago or Victor Martinez last year for cheap and even Shoppach this year? When he MAKES a trade, its been good so far!
I would agree. Omar has made quite a few good trades where the Mets came out on the better end. The guys he sent for Delgado were all pretty highly touted and not a one has really done anything except Jacobs who is not all that anyways. I would say even Omar did what many say he cannot do which is take a guy who is overachieving and get back good value for them before the truth is known.
Also do not forget the Jae Seo trade. The Mets made a killing on that one before the Miami cabbie blew it for them. Omar seems pretty good at trades it is the way he spends others money which has bitten him in the butt more than once.
Pagan and Pelfrey for Roy Halladay! HAHA.
Pagan, Niese, and FMart for Carl Crawford.
The one upside to last year is that a lot of younger players got playing time and could be included in trades.
Pagan is a nice guy to have as a 4th OF, but could potentially be more valuable as a trade chip. His value over that of Cory Sullivan or Jeremy Reed isn’t that great as bench players.
Outside of Pagan to whom do you refer?
Thole, Fernando Martinez, Murphy, Santos, and a few pitchers like Nieve and Miche.
Murphy was on his way back to AAA if Delgado hadn’t gotten hurt.
I realize most are too old to be considered young… but they could be trade able, low cost, parts after getting big league exposure in 2009.
NO NO NO NO NO NO to guillen. PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!
Again Rosenthal says several teams, and goes ahead an mentions only one. Then includes 4 teams that need a CFer. Even mentions the brewers who traded for former another former met to Patrol CF.
If Pagan can be traded for a good bullpen arm, a SP, 2nd base, I’m all for it. I’m not trading him to take on another teams terrible contract, or headache.
The only way, repeat the only way i trade for guillen is the following situation.
Mets get CASH (10 mil) and guillen, then cut guillen.
Royals get Castillo and Pagan.
It will never happen, and i want no part of Guillen. I’d take a 2 million hit and lose pagan to get rid of castillo.
That’d be an awful deal. I’d do a deal like that if we got Mike Moustakas out of it.
Why would the Royals do that?
I said they wouldn’t. I’m not a lunatic.
I said that’s they only way i’d take on Jose Guillen. If the trade was so good and we could cut him.
I want nothing to do with Guillen. I want Castillo off this team. If it takes sending away Pagan and eating 2 million dollars like my crazy scenario which won’t ever happen.
DONE AND DONE.
I was referring to the Mike Moustakas comment. I want nothing to do with Guillen either.
Sorry! it was also letting the other dude know why i said what i said.
I have been hearing rumors about Pagan being traded since the end of the season. The first one I heard had Pagan as part of the package to get Adrian Gonzalez.
Now I’m not saying to go out and get Gonzo(which would be awesome) but if the Mets can use Pagan as part of a package to go out and get a big time player(Gonzo, Feilder, Cabrera, Halliday, etc.) than I would love it if they traded him. I also wouldn’t mind if they used Pagan in a deal to get rid of Castillo without having to eat part of Castillos contract, as long as it a move like that doesn’t bring back another bad contract and it actually helps the Mets.
Keep Pagan.
Bob Klapish’s user name on Twitter, BobKlap, sounds like an STD.
lmao..That was definitely not a good choice for a username unless he expected sports fans to be above that thinking.
Anyway, I’d much rather see Pagan in left and a big power bat at first, so we could spend money on starting pitching. I also think that signing Orlando Hudson would be foolish. He’s not going to produce much more than Castillo is, he’s in his mid-30′s and it really, really concerns me that the Dodgers benched him and played Ronnie Belliard over him towards the end of the season and in the playoffs.
Although, Pagan is a valuable player because he fills so many holes.. He’s just not the type of player that would be worth much in a Halladay or AGon trade. Teams want high upside prospects and/or starting position players.. not 4th OFers.
I have been saying this for a while, that Pagan is a valuable commodity…He has a lot going for him:
1)Controllable for 3 more years
2)Plays a good CF
3)Is an ideal leadoff hitter (although maybe lacks some baseball sense)
There is defnitely a market for him out there and I hope to god they dont use him in a Guillen type deal as mentioned above
Let me get this straight:
Several teams are interested in Pagan, but it is the end of the world as we know it if he starts in LF. This cannot happen at all costs as it is, well, the end of the world as we know it.
Nobody is interested in Murphy yet his starting job is written in stone. Any discussions regarding the fact that he wasa the second worst offensive 1B in baseball are met with ridicule and proof of his greatness is usually given as “he will develop”, “he was asked to do a lot”, and the ever popular “because”.
How is it that all these other teams are wrong?
several teams are interested in Pagan because he can play all 3 outfield positions pretty well, can hit pretty well, and has decent speed.
Those of us that want Murphy set in stone at 1st is because of one simple reason. THERE IS NO UPGRADE AVAILABLE. NONE. NOT ONE. I for one don’t want to spend 5-10+ million for any of the FA options at 1st. There aren’t any real options through trade, unless your of the belief that the Padres or Brewers would really ship out their best player. So why spend wastefully on the likes of Nick Johnson, who didn’t produce anything more then Murphy this past season outside a OBP?
LF is easily upgradable, and people seem to love Franceour in RF. So the only place to upgrade the Outfield is in LF. Also the mets have a leadoff hitter, Jose Reyes. If the Mets had options to sign a FA first baseman who would truely make sense, and didn’t have a leadoff hitter I’d love pagan batting lead off and playing LF/CF. Otherwise he’s a 4th outfielder.
Delgado and Branyon are both cheap replacements that upgrade the offense. Dye and Glauss would also be cheap. $5M tops gets you a good upgrade and remember, it is for one year at most and likely only half a season. I am not pushing AGon / Fielder; just a 1-year stop gap that is a cheap and substinative upgrade to the offense.
Delgado is a HUGE red flag. Braynon has been awful for 10 seasons, and had one good half season.
Branyon in his 11 year MLB career…
.231 career average. 164 career HR’s(15 per season only 2 over 20). .331 OBP and a .822 career OPS. Also at first base his total UZR/150 at 1st base is 1.6…. If not worse in most places not an Upgrade
Delgado is awful defensively. Has been injured a ton the last 3 years. And has had only 1/2 a season of success of that time. He’s primed to extend his career in the AL as a DH. Let him go there also he will cost about 7-10 million and isn’t a guarantee to play every day, let alone 150+ games. His career numbers have nose dived since he became a Met. In his CAREER he had batted under .270 a total of 2 times. he has been under it every year with the mets. Since 1997 he never had a OPS under .900. Again he has every year with the mets (outside last years 26 games).
I’d rather save the money. Go with the healthy, younger player and upgrade elsewhere.
2006 he had an OPS of .909 and 2008 it was .871. He was 12th and 9th in MVP voting those years. So I don’t get this 1/2 season reference.He also has a career non-Met BA of .284 and a career Met BA of .267
He’s not going to get 7M and we really just need him until Davis is ready. Keep Murphy for late innings.
I understand the issue with Branyon. But again it is until Davis is ready and he does offer an answer to the lack of power issue..
Check out these stats. Its not Daniel Murphy, but its an interesting comparison. See if you can figure it out before I reveal the player…
Rookie season: .307 AVG, .334 OBP, .768 OPS, 12 2B, 4 3B, 5 HR, 32 RBI in 274 ABs
Some promise as a rookie, good average, poor on base percentage, not a ton of production, but still a rookie.
Sophomore season: .255 AVG, .271 OBP, .644 OPS, 16 2B, 2 3B, 2 HR, 14 RBI in 220 ABs.
Huge step back in this players second season. All measures dropped and player showed some injury concerns.
Now people like Sylow would have dumped this player. This is a case of an obvious bust. In many ways this player is similar to Daniel Murphy because they had a strong average and some signs of power as a rookie, but took a step back from high expectations as a second year player. Although, Daniel Murphys stats are far more impressive that this player. Theres no need for me to write them out, but we all know about the .317 AVG which dropped to .266. But we also know about the 38 2Bs, 12 HRs, 63 RBI.
well who is it?
thought so.
LOL found it – Reyes.
1) Reyes was 20 and 21: NOT 24
2) Reyes had phenominal minor league numbers, something Murphy is lacking.
3) Reyes plays SS and not 1B. Do you not understand the difference in expected offensive contributions from these positions???
4) Reyes’ game is centered on speed. So why use his power numbers as an example?? It is like publishing Mike Piazza’s SBs and saying “see”.
5) the 2003 and 2004 Mets STUNK! Do you not understand the difference?????
6) I epecially like the part about the injury concerns.
The above represents real differences. Please explain why you consider Murphy and Reyes close enought to attempt a comparison.
Its not a question of power, its a matter of expectations.
Everyone thought Murphy was untouchable after his rookie season. His plate discipline was unlike anything they had ever seen before for a rookie. He seemingly came up big in every situation that called for it. He was a guy that no one wanted discussed in trade scenarios.
Then suddenly he had a disappointing sophomore season. Part of that disappointment was the inrealistic expectations fans put on him, fans like yourself.
Again, this is not about power.
Now the important point here though is what Jose Reyes did in year 3. Incredible numbers. But if you were in charge, it would have never happened. The moral of the story is you have to allow prospects to develop before you can make conclusions about who or what they will be. This is in direct rebutal to your remarks that all Murphy supporters can talk about is potential. Well duh! But thats what you are SUPPOSED to do as an intelligent talent evaluator.
Why did you not include Reyes’ SBs as they are integral to his game? Do you understand the differences in expected offensive contributions from 1B and from SS?
Why do you lump me in with this unreasonable expectations nonsense? Where exdactly did I ever say he was going to be good based on 2008? Where? So why do you just write this stuff down?
What plate disipline are you talking about? 18BB / 28K in 151PA. For 700PA that is 83BB / 130K. How is that plate disipline “like they have never seen before”? Have they never watched another player bat?
Where do you get off saying I would never keep Reyes? Do you not pay any attention to what I say whatsoever?
I especially like this: But thats what you are SUPPOSED to do as an intelligent talent evaluator. So, you work for the Mets or some other team. Is this not then a conflict of interest? Seriously, if you’re talking about your Fantasy League team then just say so.
If left to you the Mets would have a losing record in my nephew’s Babe Ruth league.
Let me address your concerns point by point:
First off, I didnt mention Jose’s stolen bases because he had like 13 his rookie season. It wasn’t his stolen bases at the time that had people dizzy. It was in his 3rd season that he got 60 SBs, but it doesnt matter because if you were GM he would have been doing that for another team. Try to separate your impressions of Jose Reyes today vs what they would have been in his second season as a Met as this is the only way to properly approach this comparison.
Second, when I say “everyone thought…” I’m referring to the majority of fans. The constant voices on this very site. Those voices were all saying what I indicated. Why would I care what your particular opinion was at the time? Do you think that I follow your user name? I dont know who you are, or what your opinions are outside of the posts that I am replying to. Those are the only things I can formulate my opinions on.
Third, I like how you factored out Daniel Murphy’s numbers across 700 plate appearances! Are you kidding me? Most people know that the only logical way to factor out season stats is to use 500 ABs, which coincidentally is 8 short of Murphys 2009 total. And Murphy had 69 strikeouts in 508 plate appearances. I’m not sure why I even have to debate this with you. Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that the fans didnt think Murphy had one of the most advanced approaches at the plate that they had ever seen? For all of 2008 pitchers got to an 0-2 count on Murphy a grand total of 9 times! He worked a full count in something like 20% of his at bats. Not to mention he had a .430+ OBP to go along with a .340+ AVG through most of his season up until his last 2 or 3 games.
I will not address your last three points because they are childish. I can see that my argument is getting to you. Try to relax and have an open mind.
Reyes averaged 61SB per 162 games in the minors so, again, I am missing why you think I would have rid the Mets of him. Please advise. Seriously, why do you keep saying that?
Reyes was a minor league stud, Murphy was not.
700 PLATE APPEARENCES are not the same as AT BATS. Full time top of the order guys get over 700 PLATE APPEARENCES. Reyes had 768 PA in 2008. Prorating walks based on AB will yield gibberish. Further, I was responding to your statement about 2008 NOT 2009. BTW, Murphy had 508 At Bats but 556 PLATE APPEARENCES. and in them he had 38 walks so, since you brought in 2009, where is this plate disiple of which you speak?
You still have no arguement. You still have made no point. You are basing your opinion on a small sample of at bats whereas the remaining majority of AB prove you wrong. You need to actually do some research.
5 minutes went by – oops! another baserunning mistake by Pagan. I want to like this guy, but come on, he’s just another role player. If another team over values him then by all means use him as trade bait.
Pagan is a high upside guy and is not a 4th OF for a rebuilding team looking to slash payroll
unless we sign Holiday or trade for a top LF, keep pagan
Its nice to know that other teams like Pagan. The question is how much do they like him?
If they want to overpay for him, then I’d be happy to consider any offers.
This is really a non-story… The Royals would trade Guillen for a bag of peanuts if it means getting rid of some of the money he’s owed….. getting someone like Pagan back (instead of the bag of peanuts) would really be just a huge, huge win for them. This should be obvious.
The Royals must see Pagan as the next Coco Crisp….
Seriously, much as I think Pagan is talented and a useful role player, it’s the things like this that make you realize that why teams like the Royals never get better. Pagan is too mistake-prone to build anything around…
Anyone who thinks Omar is bad should look at Dayton Moore as a GM. He makes Omar look like a genius with some of his moves.
Hmmm, so teams like Pagan. Hmmm, and he plays the outfield. Hmmm, and Toronto has a guy named Wells making a boatload of money that they are desperately trying to get rid of. He also plays the outfield.
Could Pagan for Wells, be a key part of the deal to get Halladay? I’m not saying it’s happening, I’m not saying I’d condone bringing in Wells and his ridiculous salary…but there are very few teams realistically interested in Halladay that can afford him. There are even less that would be willing to take on Wells’ contract. If we include Pagan in the deal for Halladay and agree to take on a large portion of Wells’ contract it might make a very attractive option to Toronto, while allowing us not to have to mortgage the whole farm in an effort to get Halladay.
Taking on Wells and that contract alone should get you a price markdown on Halliday
Wells should just about negate Hallidays value entirely. He is that overpaid…