According to Jayson Stark of ESPN.com, his agent is telling teams that free-agent RHP Joel Pineiro is the second-best starting pitcher on the open market, and should be paid more than the three-year, $10 million deal agreed to today by Randy Wolf and the Brewers.
Speaking of starting pitchers…
Padres RHP Kevin Correa believes he will be non-tendered, according to ESPN.com.
Correa, who can be a free agent after next season, was 12–11 with a 3.91 ERA last year.
Original Post at 1:16 pm:
The Mets, Yankees, Nationals, Orioles and Angels are among the teams showing an early interest in free-agent RHP Joel Pineiro, according to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports.
However, earlier this week, Jon Heyman of SI.com said Pineiro is seeking a four-year contract.
The 31–year-old Pineiro was 15–12 with a 3.49 ERA in 32 starts last season, including 214 innings, during which he walked just 27 batters and struck out 105.
In November, on SNY’s Mets Hot Stove, Heyman said, ‘The Mets really like Pineiro,’ though he was not sure the team would be willing to commit three-years million to sign him… let alone four.
Give him the money. In my opinion he would he a good investment. Whatever pitch he learned from Duncan the past year or so is working for him.
This headline and every headline should read….
“Mets among 2nd tier teams interested in penny pinching theyre way to 2nd place”
2nd place? I like the optimism.
If it takes anywhere near 4 years, you might as well get Lackey! Frankly, I rather take our chances with who weve got than give four years to a guy who basically has had one decent season,…pass
Now that Pettitte signed with the Yanks…along with them getting Granderson…they are now out of the Halladay/Lackey/Holliday/Bay sweepstakes.
There is NO reason the Mets shouldnt land one of the 4. In reality they should be getting 2 of those 4. Sad Franchise.
And can anyone tell me what the Dbacks were thinking in giving up Scherzer? He might be the best player in the whole deal…at worste tied with Granderson. And they get back A serviceable starter in Jackson and someone not even worth mentioning in Kennedy. Yikes
Good for the Yanks, Good for the Phillies….good for any team who continues to win yet still set the market rates and always try to get better.
Oh to have Cashman in the GM’s office,………..
you gotta wonder if they thought scherzer was going to have arm problems down the road or something..maybe they saw something otherwise yea I agree I think he could easily be the best one in that deal..at least has the most upside and had a pretty damn good first year as a starter..
Ollie P Part II….don’t do it.
Exactly!
Forget Piniero, unless you are bringing Dave Duncan along, which they aren’t. I have a tendency to believe that instead of waiting around for the market to go up as it is this year or down as it does sometimes, I like the idea of finding the player you want – one that isn’t so “on the radar”, make them an offer early – say, in November, offer them above whatever they are expecting at that time with a deadline. Tell them, we’d really like you and are deliberately offering you above what we think is fair to secure you now, but if you don’t agree within a couple of days, the offer is off the table. It’s kind of the “Buy it Now” option they offer on E-Bay. You make sure you get what you want and get it early – you might overpay, but at the same time, you might underpay. Of course, you only do this if you plan on moving on for good for that offseason from that player. I mean, you could always go back to them with a lower offer, but if you say “take it or leave it” and then, go back with more later, you lose or leverage and credibility for the next time. Also, the players sometimes like the security of being locked up to a nice contract early on, celebrating the holidays and enjoying their offseason before spring training, instead of waiting it out, unless they are positive that there are many more millions out there. It’s just that if the offer is above what he thinks he’s gonna get, there’s can be a tendency to take it or risk having millions be lost. I do know that from this batch, I’d try to get Calero, Beimel and Marquis locked up. Marquis said he wants to be a Met. We might have been able to get him early at a small “hometown discount”, but the longer this plays out, his money and years will go up possibly. I think in November, we probably could have had him for 1 year at 7 million with a team option, but I think the longer they wait, the more it will cost them. I don’t think they will sign Marquis frankly. I think he’d do at least as well as a Met and would cost less than Piniero or Meche.
I agree, make a plan pick the players you want and go get them. Hmmm sounds familiar, oh yea that’s what the reigning WS champs do during the offseason. Especially this offseason when you have so many holes to fill you can’t just sit around waiting for a deal we need to fill a hole and move on to the next one. This team has a brand new stadium, a television network, and is losing delgado/wagner/schneider from their payroll they have the money and anyone who doesn’t think so is out of their minds.
Please do not sign this guy. Total Dave Duncan product. Get Omar away from the bargain bin and go get us a top flight talent.
Pineiro’s average #s as a starter are better than Pelfrey, Maine and Perez … so giving him 3 years with an option is not a bad deal. His only ‘bad’ year was 2006 … don’t get crazy with his great #s from last year … look at his body of work = 1.343 WHIP & 2.18 BB/SO which is better than anything we have not named Santana. Don’t break the bank for him, but he is decent > very good if he can build off of last years sinker. If we can get him for 7-8 MIL, that’s a pretty good deal.
The problem is, he won´t sign for $7-8 million…he wants more than Wolf´s 3 year, $10m per deal.
I agree, don´t do it. Get Lackey, then trade for Arroyo (short committment, consistent durable history).
I say a 2 year 17 Million-dollar deal is good for Piniero
If you want to go for 3 years then I think 25 Million would be good
thats a little more than 8 mill a year for him I think thats good
Taking a page out of Boras’s book he is, but in reality Pineiro is nothing more than a #3 at his absolute best and that to me does’t warrant a 4 year commitment! Especially considering whats coming in pitching next offseason. Again, if you are going to hand out a 4 year deal, you might as well go 5 years and get the guy in Lackey who can be #2 on our staff no problem! I’d rather go with who we have than give Pineiro 4 yrs.
I wouldn’t go crazy if they gave him a deal that matched Wolf…
… but 4 years for more money? He’s delusional. If he and his agent stick to that, then they’ll be frozen out and taking a 1 year deal for $5 mil sometime in March.
I agree on all points.
Problem is the Brewers go and overpay on Wolf which drives up the price on everyone else. So now Pineiro wants more than Wolf. Everyone complains about the system but in all honesty the system is fine it is the lousy contracts these teams offer players that makes it so out of wack. I would maybe take a flyer on Correa if he is non-tendered as well. Would be a solid 4 or 5.
Hell, Kevin Correia is likely to be non-tendered by San Diego on Saturday. Sign him instead of Piniero.
yes sir, why not.
id take a look at Wang too if the Yanks non-tender him.
For a #2 pitcher the Mets should get 1 of Sheets, Harden or Bedard. For #3 the Mets should get 1 of Pineiro or Marquis.
I prefer Marquis to Pineiro… but I think I’m the only one.
yea that makes a lot of sense metsfan..lets try to get someone even more unrealiable than what we already have in the #2 spot in the rotation..all 3 of those guys are the most injury guys on the planet..not to mention if u didnt realize harden has been playing through a torn muscle in his shoulder since he signed with the cubs 2 seasons ago..makes 0 sense..The mets need to insure reliable pitchers..at this point guys who will eat innings and keep us in games is better than these “potential aces” with injury troubles…sign lackey 5 years..reliable and dominant..trade for someone like harang/arroyo with cincy and maybe include a brandon phillips in that deal too..they need an outfielder and wanna free up some payroll..give them a pagan/maine deal..maybe even castillo and then we take care of 2 huge spots for us…phillips perfect fit for mets..and harang is overlooked by his past 2 seasons..he’s a horse first off..and he’s got swing and miss stuff just needs a change of scenery…look at his numbers..he’s had 2 poor seasons as a starter..Santana, Lackey, Harang, Pelfrey..sounds dirty..then we can concentrate on left field but we gotta secure the pitching staff so we at least know we have a shot of competing..
I agree about the injury prone thing. I also think it would be awesome to trade Castillo and Maine and a prospect for Phillips and Arroyo.(But I really doubt it will happen) I really like the idea of back loading so we can get 2 of Bay, Lackey and Holliday. Then for a #3 we can get Marquis or Pineiro.
I just read the Bay, Hollliday and Lackey post. What does keen mean? And what does Linchpin mean? I think that backloading would be a good idea so we could get 2 of Bay, Holliday and Lackey. It doesn’t really matter if we don’t trade Castillo. It would be awesome if we can but I won’t be bummed about it. And lastly I think that Molina will end up as a Met.
Eh. I think Pinero is a solid #3 and should get #3 money, hopefully without too much negotiation. My original comment was more along the lines to “just get the signing done.” This should not be a lengthy, Santana, drama-filled process. The Wolf signing skews the market, but so did Ollie P’s contract.
I believe Maine will be a solid #2. Shoulder surgery (and the ultimate second process to relieve scar tissue) takes a long time to rebound from. Maine’s final two appearances in 2009 showed he was confidently regaining strength. I hope/believe he will be fine and be a solid contributor in 2009. Go get a #3 SP and a hitter.