Updated at 3:11 pm:
…earlier today, i said the Mets and Jason Bay likely agreed to a four-year deal, worth around $16.5 million per season…
According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, the deal is for four-years, $66 million, but also contains an easily-attainable option for a fifth season.
Sherman says the physical might not be a formality, writing:
“There has been a lot of talk in the sport that the Red Sox were hesitant to do a long-term deal with Bay because they were concerned about the health of his shoulders.”
Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com believes the vesting option could make the deal worth $80 million.
Updated at 2:26 pm:
…like i said before, word from people around bay has been that he is close to agreeing to a four-year deal… i’m glad to see the Mets did not give in to the fifth year… instead, it seems they goosed up the amount of money per season, from, say, $16 million, to, say, $16.5 million… i also believe the deal will be backloaded, with bay getting around $10 million in the first year, and close to $19 million per season in the final years of the contract…
…i still believe Matt Holliday will prove to be the better player, long-term… but, bay for four years is not bad… especially if it is actually backloaded and still allows the team to fill in with some role players, like i had been suggesting towards the end of last week…
…also, for what it’s worth, in talking with people close to bay, i never got the impression he was uninterested in signing with the Mets… i think that was just a logical conclusion for fans and reporters… in reality, he was simply trying to milk as much money as he could, with so little leverage… i mean, with the Cardinals the only other team looking to pay big bucks for an outfielder, bay’s only leverage was time, and hoping the Mets got antsy, or might cave in to public pressure… that was his only card, and so he used it…
…i don’t think it was personal, or for fear of playing in Queens… he was just trying to get paid as much as he could, using the only tool available to him: time…
Original Post:
WFAN’s Mike Francesa says the Mets will announce the signing of free-agent OF Jason Bay early next week, assuming all goes well with his physical.
…from what i can gather, the deal will likely be for four years, and around $16.5 million…
…so, i guess that’s the news the team is hoping to break soon after the New Year, like i alluded to in the previous post…
He says free-agent C Bengie Molina is still holding out for a guaranteed, three-year deal, but the Mets have so far only offered a one-year contract with a vesting option.
love this move, bay fits this team and this ballpark….congrats to omar for waiting this out.
Now just wait out molina because there is no way more than one year should be gaurenteed
Is there something to be said about building a team that doesn’t want to be here. Beltran Wanted to be a Yankee, even calling them in the 11th hour, Delgado Never wanted to be here opting to sign with a team that plays in front of 10,000 fans a night in Florida only to be sent here because of money. Glavine never wanted to be here and I wish he never was. Even little name players we wanted to keep or re-sign at a later date didn’t want to be here i.e. Chad Bradford, Darren Oliver. Don’t kid yourself Bay doesn’t want to be here. There is something wrong with this organization, No one every want to be here, they just end up here. It can’t be good for chemistry in the clubhouse. I wish we would just rebuild and add pieces as needed. We need to do it the right way through the farm system.
How do you know that Bay doesn’t want to be here? Don’t go by the repoters like Gammons. He’s a RS fan.Bay took a long time to respond b/c he wanted to make sure it was the right move and that he was getting paid good. Or he was on some web-site comparing if he’ll be good in Citi-Field.
Look, everyone has their reasons. Its easy to slap all of these names together and make the argument that the Mets are the problem, but if you analyze each of these objectively the truth is quite different.
Carlos Delgado is a loud and proud Puerto Rican who spends all of his free time there. He wanted to be as close as possible.
Carlos Beltran did in fact make every effort to become a Yankee. He thrives for the spotlight. That was evident from the fact that the Mets made every effort to refer to him as the “new Mets centerpiece”. The Mets tried to oblidge the best they could, but lets face it, there is a much greater allure to being the Yankees centerfielder than the Mets. Its by far the quickest path to absolute stardom. In fact, you can see now how underappreciated he is which likely wouldn’t have happened if he were a Yankee.
Tom Glavine was a life-long Brave. It would be no different than David Wright in 10 years getting forced to sign with the Yankees because the Mets lose interest or aren’t willing to pay him fairly. He too would make every effort to stay. Its not like this had anything to do with the Mets. It had EVERYTHING to do with the Braves.
The only true examples that you missed would be Mike Hampton who clearly didn’t want to be here.
Otherwise, I haven’t seen anything relevant. In fact there have been many who have badly wanted to be here including Kris Benson and Johan Santana.
It wasn’t what Gammons said, It was the waiting with no contact with the Mets that makes me think he doesn’t want to be here. When you come up through the system all you think of is one day putting on the Orange and Blue. Reyes and Wright,they are the Mets and you can tell. We need more of that. If we acted like a small market team for a few painful years and got a real GM with real power it may pay-off in a decade of success, the kind we saw in the 80′s. If we don’t make a run this year (which we won’t) where are we then…rebuilding, a year too late if you ask me.
We will see if Fatso’s sources are accurate. I’m still not sold until I see the News conference.
Heyman just “confirmed it” on SI.com
ok, I trust heyman. Good move Mets. Now get me a starter and don’t overpay! lol
I like it. Unlike some other fans and the Metsblog crew, I prefer Bay.
It’s funny the way Mike started the segment I seriously thought he was going to pull an early April fools day and say the news is that “they are not close with Molina and……They will not sign any free agents this off season…Fooled you….hahaha…LOL.”I kind of figured it was Bay and that’s good if it is for the 4 yrs 16.5 million deal. It allows them to spend 6-7 million on another starter and then start rounding out the bench. I only like the deal if it’s for 4 yrs. I hope he can help and maybe pull a few homers in that stadium.
Also, if they signed him pending a physical why doesn’t anyone else have the news? A friend of mine had a good point, he thinks the Mets leaked this with the ticket deadline Thursday and then have their Docs say they found something they didn’t like as in the case of Vlad Guerrero a few years back.
Your friend does have a good point, but if he wears a hat, no one will notice it.
wouldn’t shock me. though really if your plan purchase is hanging on the jason bay signing, joke’s on you.
Not that pessimistic. They leaked it this way because they can’t get the physical done until next week and they wanted the news out there before 12/31.
Good point to a point. I won’t believe him until after it is all final. It is surprising that Mets allow Mike to announce it as he did
They allowed Farancessa to do it so they don’t look bad when it falls apart. Classic Wilpon strategy. I already sent the first half of my invoice in on the 18th before the extension. But ticket sales are really down, so I’m sure that’s why they leaked it.
Yeah I been hearing that the sales have not been great….
If you really believe that’s a possibility, then how can you be a Mets fan? I couldn’t root for a team owned by someone who I thought was capable of faking a signing for a quick spike in sales.
If anything, I believe Francessa is capable of hyping a Mets’ move based on unreliable info, because he wouldn’t care if it turned out to be false.
I never said they were faking it, but I said they leaked it prematurely to help ticket sales and that their docs may find something wrong and nix the deal. I said that before Joel Sherman did. He backed me up. It’s happened before.
I like hearing that the Mets won’t budge for Molina, because they shouldn’t. They don’t want him for more than a year and won’t give him more. Vesting options are generally based on games played, right? So we could essentially choose to sit him however many games we need for that option to not kick in, no?
For Mets fans who have been opposed to Molina – if you could get him for just one year, would you?
not really, the player and agent would file a complaint and likely win. There was talk about that surrounding Millwood and Ordonez this year. Ordonez was having a terrrible season at the time and there were all these threats of filing a complaint.
They can file a complaint, but if Blanco is filling in regularly for Molina throughout the season then what can be said? The Mets just need to leave him in too many games in a row and show how he declines to make their point. Or say that pitchers A and B feel more comfortable with Blanco catching. Either way, such a complaint would have no merit because a team can do whatever they feel fit during the season.
Or if Thole doesn’t look as ready for 2011, then we let the vesting option kick in.
catchers may be different, especially fat old ones.
The main arguments in those complaints is that the player would have been sat for a prolonged period of time to assure an option doesn’t kick in. A catcher gets sat regularly, so any argument from Molina or agent would be dependent on the number of games needed for the vesting option to kick in. If that number is 120 games or higher (not an unreasonable minimum you want from your catcher) and Molina doesn’t reach it then he has no argument because he only reached 120+ games 5/12 seasons
not no argument, but it is certainly weaker
I am not a huge Molina fan, but one year would be fine…..im not totaly opposed to the one year with a vesting option for a second that the mets are offering right now…….but over that is not a good contract and we would be stuck with him, in that last year…maybe blocking thole.
but one year, ya sign him
Some vesting options might just be DL time… To me it seems likely that thats what Molina’s agent would push for if it was an Option…
This is great news. Good job by Omar. We are getting a very good player, for a very reasonable price. That’s not easy to do. Hopefully we still have enough to give Chapman something competitive, and sign Sheets. We are looking really good if we could wrap up the offseason like this.
Reyes (should be Castillo)
Castillo (should be Reyes)
Wright
Beltran
Bay
Murphy
Franceour
C
P
Santana
Sheets
Pelfrey
Perez
Maine
Krod
Igarashi
Escobar
Feliciano
Parnell
Stokes
Green
I don’t want Sheets if he is going to cost $12MM…I’d rather have Pineiro.
No you wouldn’t. Even if Sheets’ arm flew off in ST you still don’t want Piniero.
Hahaha couldn’t have said it better myself
How about this. Again Sylow59, I’m responding so this is an exception alright. And yes, I said Biemel.
You get Bay which we got. That saves like 2mill rather than Holliday.
You get Molina. That’s 6mill. You get 1-2 starters. Sheets is 8mill and Garland is 6mill. You don’t have to get 2 starters but that will get the job done. You get Biemel for 2mill. He’s a solid 2nd lefty that is great.
So you are looking at this:
Reyes
Castillo
Beltran
Bay
Wright
F-Core
Murphy
Molina
P
Johan
Sheets
Garland/Pelfrey (May not get 2 SP’s)
Pelfrey/Maine
Maine/Perez
K-Rod
Igarashi
Escobar
Parnell
Stokes
Green
Biemel
Feliciano
other catcher
pagan
Cora
? one more guy to be 25th man
Sounds like a beast team to me. Next year, all we have to do is resign Reyes and get Webb or Beckett.
But lets take one year at time
You need 5 bench players. 4 is too few.
name 2….. it’s hard right?
Mets’ bench:
C#2: Santos/Blanco
UT IF: Cora
UT CI: Spring Training invitee
4th OF: Pagan
5th OF: I’d love to bring Endy back on a 1-year deal (otherwise, it’ll be someone who wins it in ST)
endy’s injured. but i love him also. what about anderson hernandez. He costs like $500,000
Cant Evans play 3b? Id like to see him in as our UT CI…
it’s oko, Bay resets the planning process as the rest is largely filler.
alright, take out Biemel and put 2 more bench player in.
have you seen a doctor about your infatuation with joe biemel?
lol. I like him as a pitcher, not anything else. I did suggest we not get him at all and replace him and get another bench player.
any chance the mets still go for holliday?
and trade franky for pitching?
Zero
No is the answer for both of your q’s.
I doubt it, I think they will look to pitching. If they could somehow unload Castillo, then maybe you see another move on offense. Pitching should be the move now,…….right Omar????
Why on earth would you trade Frankie?
i think he meant franceour. Not Franky rodricuez.
why do that. he is perfecty good.
So wait… does this mean we don’t have to listen to anymore rumors about how much Jason Bay HATES NY and didn’t want to sign with the Mets at any cost?
I preferred Holliday, but at least we have a bat now. That will definitely help.
If it’s true and they get him for 4 years 65 million it’s a good move. And no they aren’t trading frenchy and signing Holiday. That’s silly.
Way to wait out Bay. Four years is solid. Great job Omar with this signing and Escobar!
Hey Fred Mike Francesa would have never mentioned it if he wasn’t sure plus there was that report that people close to Bay say he is going to sign the 4 yr 16.5 deal. It’s gonna happen and im sure Olney, Stark, and Cransnick will be reporting the same too. Why can’t you all be happy that they are finally doing something.
Because 90% of Mets fans are ridiculous and never happy.
We could win the series and there would be people complaining that we didn’t beat the Phillies in the playoffs or the Yankees in the Series
Oh stop. If you are a true Met fan and not a Met sheep then you shouldn’t have to ask why mets fans look at things half empty. They screw up everything when they have it in the palm of their hand………….a reaaaal Munson. IE. Vlad, Kazmir, Seaver, Ryan, dykstra the list goes on…….
Don’t forget Roger Clemens over $50k. They drafted Roger and he would have signed but the Mets didn’t want to give him the extra $50k he was looking for.
Or those super ‘retro’ jersies.
Hence why people are ALREADY making the argument that the only reason they had Francesa announce it today is because Season ticket renewals are due this week.
Justin B? and you don’t think this has anything to do with it?? They NEVER extend the deadline and ticket sales are down. I don’t think there is any doubt that’s why they did it.
I guess Omar isn’t so dumb. Everyone chastised him too quickly for not upping the money and not blowing Bay away to sign him fast.
Omar made an offer knowing Bay had ZERO leverage and in the end, got him on Mets terms. Well played Omar… well played
wow, great signing for only 4 years, good move minaya, now sign molina and our offense could be better than the phillies.
Where are all the Omar bashers now? He signed a bat, and presumably at four years $65MM. Now all he needs is to wait it out on Molina and trade for a pitcher. I would still like to have Harang, Arroyo, or Meche.
If they replace Ollie or Maine with the acquired pitcher. All I am saying is give Niese a chance
Sylow, I’m with you with the excitement about Neise. I don’t want him in the rotation to start the year. I would rather the mets make a signing or 2 and have him waiting patiently in the wings in the minors for WHEN someone gets hurt. No team makes it through a complete season without losing 1 SP. Yes you don’t have to lose 3 like the mets did, then 3 replacements. But If your rotation is Johan, Ollie, Maine, Pelf, Free agent, when someone goes on the DL youhave Neise to call up.
If you let neise make it out of the gates and you lose someone, then who do you call up to replace him. R.A. Dickey?
If they sign someone that is not injury prone then, if Ollie has a good ST, I can see them moving Maine for a RH 1B; or maybe include him to get said non-injury prone SP.
Also, I just happen to like John Lennon.
I really don’t see them doing anything at 1B, now that Bay is in the fold.
I would sign Sheets and call up Niese WHEN he gets hurt again.
it was never about Omar. He is the only one that gets the Wilpons to open up the wallet. I have always said his hands were tied by the Wilpons the last year or so.
I agree, i read somewhere that he wasn’t as assertive as he was in previous years.
I, like most people preferred Matt Holliday over Jason Bay…but to think that we could sign Bay for only $16.5 million per season for his ages 31,32,33 & 34 seasons, with no further obligation is incredible.
That makes it a much smarter move than Holliday for say 6 or even 7 years at $18-$19 million per season.
We now have a cleanup type hitter with 100+ RBI, 100+ runs and 30+HRs in LF, along with a CFer who can give you 100+RBI, 100+ runs and 25+HRs and a RF who has 90+ RBI, 80+ runs and 20+HR potential.
This allows us to let Fernando Martinez develop at a normal pace in AAA.
It allows us to play Daniel Murphy all year at 1B without worry or concern. Which also in effect allows us to properly develop Ike Davis.
Reyes
Castillo
Beltran
Bay
Wright
Francoeur
Murphy
Molina?
I like it.
I disagree. I think the Mets need to sign/trade for a decent 1B or Platoon Guy. I they Sign, say, Delgado they can allow Murphy more time to Develop at 1B (during practice and games against the AL) and Davis in AAA. So in 2011, Murphy and Davis can platoon or we can trade Murphy for pitching.
I would rather see a line-up as:
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Beltran / Bay
Bay / Beltran
Francoeur
Delgado
Molina
At the stipulated terms, Bay is a better deal than Holliday for 6 years at 100 million.
I just did 2 separate word searches on this page: “fire” and “minaya”…
Where are you guys now??
Fire Minaya.
Fire Manuel too.
I’ll drink to that. Both of them.
Don’t love the move for Bay.
It’s not a terrible contract but still not the move I’d have made.
I suppose it beats doing nothing again in LF.
I will wait to see what else is done.
you guys will never be happy.. its fans like you that make the rest of the baseball community hate us, as well as the baseball gods… thanks.
What are you talking about? I’m happy we got Bay. I also like the Escobar and Igarashi signings. But we’re still locked into Luis Castillo, resigned the totally useless Alex Cora for 2 million (WHY?!), still don’t have a major league-caliber first baseman, have question marks all through the starting rotation (although, to be sure, I am a big fan of Maine and think Perez and Pelfrey will bounce back), and apparently want Benji Molina to catch for us next year.
Omar has shown the ability to throw money at problems; I was never concerned that the Mets would fail to sign one of the big free agent outfielders.
Oh, and the rest of the baseball community — by which I mean everyone I ever talk about the Mets with — tends to start the conversation with something along the lines of “Did you guys get rid of Minaya yet? He is awful.”
So please come off your high horse and take a nice, smelly whiff of reality.
How glad are we now that we didn’t give Ibanez 3 years, $30M+ last year? I like our lineup next to Phillies now. Give us a difference maker in the rotation, and we got ourselves a real chance for the division next year. Especially with the state of the Phillies’ bullpen.
Now that we got Bay, I really like what Omar has done this offseason. Great improvements in the bullpen, and no obscene contracts. (Cross your fingers on Molina)
If he pulled this off I can’t see him going hog wild on Molina given so many similar players.
I’m not sure why you say that. Ibanez put up Jason Bay numbers for only $10 million. And don’t say it was CBP. He hit way more HRs on the road (19 vs 13).
If I could have gotten that from Ibanez for $10 million I would be doing backflips.
Bay is younger, more athletic, in his prime, and a better defender.
Ibanzes is older, less athletic, beyond his prime, a poor defender, and missed time last year due to injury. Injuries don’t become less frequent as a player gets older either.
And yes, CBP did inflate his numbers.
Ibanez actually played good defense last year didn’t he? (not that I expect that to continue..roughly everything went well for them last year)
while I really hate to disagree here, he did have better across the board numbers away than at CBP. That said, I’d much rather have Bay then Ibanez any day of the week. Ibanez’ OPS+s have been improving since he was 32. He will be 38 next year. He will crash soon.
Have to say, I was surprised at what Ibanez gave the Phillies last season. I considered him a slight upgrade over Burrell at the time of his signing. I don’t think he repeats that production this year.
. . . but I was wrong once.
I’d agree with that sentiment!
The only legit thing you said here was that Bay was younger. But if the Mets had Ibanez, there would be a reasonable expectation that he would produce similar numbers this upcoming season, and his contract would be up the following season, whereas Bay would still be under contract for 2 more years.
Look, I would rather have Jason Bay too, as I believe that he is a great hitter who happened to produce at a very high level even on a bad team (Pirates), but I’m not going to sit here and say that I’m “glad” that we didn’t sign Ibanez. Especially because if we had signed him it would have had the double effect of weakening the Phillies and strengthening the Mets.
Or, the Phillies would have signed Bay this year. Imagine that one.
Rollins — Reyes
Victorino — Castillo
Utley — Wright
Howard — Beltran
Bay — Ibanez
Werth — Franceour
Polanco — Murphy
Ruiz — C
P — P
Yikes
+1
He also miraculously hit about 17 of his homeruns before June 1st, that is likely to happen again.
My premonitions are coming true (dont believe me…search!)
Mets will sign Jason Bay at a very favorable contract for the team.
The Cardinals will be left with zero competition for Matt Holliday who they will sign for 5 years $82.5 million with an option for a 6th year.
Mets fans will be in an uproar, and they will secretly hate Jason Bay.
Now that we know what will happen, can we all just relax and understand “cause and effect”. We could not have had Holliday for the same contract, so lets move on.
Well Joel just said it is 4 years 66 mill with 5th year vesting option
where did you hear that.
Joel Sherman twiiter
okay. thx.
Omar played it well, did not panic, and got his guy on his terms. Good job.
Mike Francesca’s statement announcing this deal, with its repetition of the same points over and over and over again was comical. It is unbelievable that this guy makes a living as a public speaker … that announcement was the worst articulation of a news item that I have ever heard on radio or television, and was far worse that Minaya’s stumbling through the Rubin apology last year.
Finally happy Mets fans. BTW Heyman just confirmed the same thing via twitter so there is the doubters second vote of confidence.
Bay’s only leverage was time; he could not use the Cardinals, because they were not looking to sign a high priced outfielder; they were looking to sign Holliday. They have had no interest in Bay,
great job, people seem to harp on Bays age, the guy is in his prime is will be throughout his contract, great signing by the Mets, we need his bat, now we need to go out and get a first baseman and a pitcher, I dont like Murph there, sorry Murph fans.
flat out agree with you on Murphy.
Assuming the injuries are healed then you have:
Bay, Beltran, Reyyes, Wright as half the lineup. They are all All Star quality.
Then you have Francouer and Molina (assume he is signed) who are known quantaties. Molina generates some offense from C and Francouer may from RF (depending on which one shows up).
Then there is Castillo, who can get on-base.
There are 5-7 professional hitting veterans in the lineup. Why not give Davis a real shot at winning 1B in ST? It would be difficult for him to produce less than Murphy did.
It would not be difficult at all for David to do worse than Murphy, it would be putting Davis in the EXACT same rush position they put Murphy in, have one good season and decide he is suddenly ready for major leagues as a key contributor.
I have written this over and over and over on this blog and elsewhere, most major leaguers are given nearly 1,500 minor league plate appearances bofre they step onto a major league diamond. Murphy had just over 1,000. In contrast take a player like Chase Utley, who had nearly 1,200 AAA plate appearances, let alone 1,500 total minor league plate appearances..
Murphy had a hard time adjusting and being put through a position ringer last season. No need to rush Davis at all.
I Love the signing… Great patience by Omar and crew. Didn’t panic, knew their position and didn’t over pay. Boston was willing to pay 4 years 16 mil, and mets said we will pay 4 years averaging 16.5 per. That’s the deal that held.
I think for 4 years it’s a great deal. I still would have preferred Holliday, but the difference isn’t that great. It extends the lineup nicely.
I’m shocked Francessa “broke” news.
Interesting also that 1050 ESPN didn’t mention that news, but did say Molina agreed to accept a 2 yr deal
btw, Bay is 4/11 against Halladay with 1HR and 1 BB.
Last year he was 4/8 against him, 3 games, as a division rival, 1HR, 1BB.
ok, 1050 quoted SI.com saying Bay will sign
They needed to have it elsewhere as they have a stupid ‘deny the exhistence of WFAN rule.”
exactly.
that’s why i laughed.
they don’t even say “John Heyman of SI.com” since Heyman now will report for WFAN also
Damn Omar and his love of Latin players!!! oh what’s that you say, he signed another white dude? Crap, can’t we get someone from the Domican Republic to cook up one of those fake birth certificates for Bay? Wait, I know, let’s rip Omar for being taken by Bay’s agent!!! oh, he waited him out and signed him for basically what was initially offered? Damn, can we maybe start talking about his bad Luis Castillo contract again or something? What’s that, Castillo was actually one of the few guys on this team that performed last year?
Come on Omar bashers, give me something good to work with!
Hey, its a great signing. It doesn’t kill us long term & leaves us with some flexability to sign a few more pieces. Realistically, the Mets will get Molina on a one year deal to round out the offense. I also see Minaya waiting for Pinieiro to forcefully lower his demands to 1-2yrs before jumping all over him.
Hopefully a Castillo trade will be revisited and we jump on Hudson for 2yrs until Havens is ready to be our Utley.
How about Havens will be our Havens he dosent need any undue pressure and no two players are the same.
Didn’t mean the exact same player loll. Just a so so defensive 2b with a great eye and good pop.
I know but people are always saying Player X is going to be the next Stan Musial. I just am not a fan of that I say let the player play and see what he can do. Because say Havens turns out to be a nice player, not a hall of fame talent but maybe an ocasional allstar then i would be estatic
Do you think the Mets can make a run at Orlando Hudson?
not unless they unload Castillo which i doubt.
The Mets Offense pending Bay and Molina (I believe he will sign with us because quite frankly where else i he gonna sign?)
Catcher Molina > Ruiz Winner Mets
1st Base Murphy < Howard Winner Phillies
2nd Base Castillo Polanco Winner Mets
Left Field Bay > Ibanez Winner Mets
Center Field Beltran > Victorino Winner Mets
Right Feild Francour =/< Werth Tie (with Werth possibly edging out F-core)
So that leaves the score 4-2 mets with 2 ties and the Phillies I believe only have a slight edge starting pitching wise with the mets looking like they have the better pen. That said this division I see as being a dog fight (especially now that Vick plays in Philly) down to the last week of the season (barring injuries or unforseen Horrible/Amasing performances)
It would actually be Castillo < Utley at 2b but the Mets would win the 3B battle since Wright is light years ahead of the kind of player Polanco ever was let alone what he is now.
did you forget about Utley or something? Wright/Polonco.
not to mention Howard vs Murphy should count infiniterly more than Molina vs. Ruiz. (same for Utley vs Castillo)
And No Reyes vs Rollins?
Man you really did a pick and choose to suit your argument…
its not about how many better players we have…..its about how much better some of theirs are; howard vs. Murphy castillo vs. utley….these should count as 2 or 3 when adding up because the difference is soooo great.
agre. wright and Polanco is 2 for the Mets.
Franceour and Werth a tie? You are on something.
Also, pitting individual players against one another means nothing? Why? Because the drop off from Howard and Murphy is huge, as is Castillo and Utley.
before last year i may have agreed with Francouer, but last year Werth went up a level- so unless that was a fluke yeah, Werth much better.
also has you said, the Howard /Murphy “matchup” isn’t close.
I don’t see Werth repeating last year, but I think Francouer just might though I’ll concied it is probably wishful thinking
I totally agree. Werth, has made his name known. He will duplicate what he did last year. – Dang, I hate those Phillies!
Regardless, you can’t compare the players like that. Yes, but putting Bay in the mix, that adds additional depth to our roster, but pitching is the problem. Doesn’t matter if our line-up is stacked.. if we can’t pitch, anyone can beat us.
We need to get another pitcher, maybe two!
polanco is playing 3rd they have that utley guy at 2nd
WOW it cut off half of 2B, and all of SS and 3B I had:
2nd Base Castillo Polanco Winner Mets
I never understood why people view it this way. Its not about how many positions you are better at…its about how MUCH better you are at each position. Consider looking at it like this:
(I will apply a negative when the Phillies are better, and positive when the Mets are better)
1st Base: -25
2nd Base: -15
3rd Base: +15
Short Stop: +5
Left Field: +10
Center Field: +15
Right Field: -10
Catcher: +10* assuming Molina
Based on these simple projections, it seems we edge out the Phillies just slightly. I can live with that. Feel free to review and debate the scores. I tried to be as fair and consistent as possible. E.g. I gave Utley a +15 over Castillo, because he is just so much better as a hitter. You’ll see that Wright got the same score over Polanco. Seems to me that this is fair. Same thing with Beltran over Victorino. The tough one was Ryan Howard who is just so much better than Murphy. I gave that difference the equivalent scores of both Wright over Polanco AND Bay over Ibanez…he’s that much better.
It didn’t help him that Gammons came out with the he would rather play in Beirut than Queens. So either Gammons is wrong, Bay had no choice or Gammons stinks at geography and actual thinks Beirut is Queens.
Lazy reporting. “Mets are a disaster, no one wants to play there” was the easy story, and everyone ran with it.
also, the Mets have no money to spend and will be bargain hunting.
I agree completely. I think it was more he was trying to get a combination of more years and/or money which I cannot blame anyone for doing as I know I would if he had any leverage at all. It just doesn’t help him in the situation really as it looks like he was left with no choice. Being a fan I may have rose colored glasses on but the Mets to me are not that bad of a situation to come into especially for a guy like Bay who will get to hit with Reyes causing havoc on the bases in front of him and a combination of Wright/Beltran in front and behind him in the order. Not bad at all if I was a hitter.
Looks like Gammons has some major egg on face!
Perhaps we should be thanking good old Pete, he might have helped us push this one over the edge.
very happy with this. Patience is a virtue. Makes the lineup so much better. Now wait out Molina too and if he is dumb enough not to accept two yrs at the most then just sign Barajas for one year. It’s not like Blanco, Santos can’t hold the fort till Thole is ready.
here are my thoughts
1.Still a little misunderstood if Bay really wants to be here or there were no better offers. Giants said they were suitors then went cheaper. Suddently Bay is ours.
2.Regardless, I commend the Mets because they didn’t go the extra year or get to a crazy dollar amount so for all the negatives thats one positive.
3.Our line-up is only a tad better then it was this time last year since ultimately Bay replaces Delgado’s bat. In fact HR, RBI & K’s they are basically a wash. Murph was our initial LF, but now moves to 1B. The upgrade comes with Frenchy who is better (not tremendously, but obviously enough) then Church. If the Mets do sign a catcher that guy won’t be astronomically offensively better then Schneider so again the line-up isn’t that much better. The good news is that line-up this time last years was good enough to deem this team a contender amongst the baseball experts. I also would say that with Bay our line-up is post-season contention.
4.Pitching. I’m going to say that the Mets are very much on the verge of a Joel Pineiro signing. You can smell it. They may overpay too, but I wont kill them because they got the #3 free Agent on the market in Bay so they did what they could do. I was not overly exicted about Lackey. I’m not overly exicted about Bay but at least the Mets have a pulse and reason to put some fannies in the seats. If we go to war with Santana, Pineiro, Pelf, Ollie and Maine is that enough? Well, Pineiro replaces Livan Hernandez in a rotation that was good enough to be deemed contenders so let’s see what happens because I agree with most fans that Pelf is on the rise and good have a good season.
Don’t forget, Bay makes us better from the right side of the plate, something Delgado couldn’t do.
Fcore did that when we got rid of Church.
Yes, I considered that, but Fcore is still very much a wildcard. I’m a Mets fan living in Braves country for the past 4 years and I’ve seen him be amazing and I’ve seen him be lost. I need a bigger sample size before I’m ready to proclaim him “back on track”.
That said I am actually friends with a dude who played Catcher at Parkview high school when Fcore was there and said he works his tail off, so perhaps his desire is such that it’s only a matter of time before he’s consistently solid again.
I’m not so sure about the catcher part. My 6 year old daughter would be an improvement over Schiender last year. Molina will give you 15 to 20 homers while his average might not be a huge upgrade he has more power which should help in the bottom of the lineup.
Joel Sherman just tweeted the following which makes it not sound as promising but still ok:
Can confirm that #Mets have agreement with Bay for 4 at $66M with easy vest for 5th year
That easy vesting option scares me.
If he’s here that 4th yr & reaches the amount of games played, its probably because he earned it.
Yes but it could easily be like the Magglio Ordonez situation over in Detroit. Where for 3 years he was highly productive then the 4th year he isn’t but logged enough time over the last 3 years to vest the 5th year and we have a 19 million dollar slug on the payroll.
Your right but Maggs had chronic knees & was older when he signed his deal. Bay’s deal is right where it should be.
Not exactly. Magglio was 31 years old in 2005 when he signed a 5 year 85 million dollar offer from the Tigers. Bay is 31 years old with a history of knee problems. Very similar.
Sounds like a pretty similar situation..
That 5th year vesting option can be a scary scary thing.
Look, let’s just enjoy this for crying out loud, not pick the deal apart down to the last sentence so we can find something wrong! Omar did a heck of a job getting Bay for this price for only 4 years with an option! If he vests his option, chances are very good that Bay was healthy and he earned it. If Omar was smart enough to wait like this under the circumstances, knowing other teams reported concerns, there is no way he would make the 5th year option so easy to obtain that Bay could do it without being healthy! For crying out loud, enough with the doomsday scenario’s we’ve had enough of that from the media! Is it a risk? Sure, but any player you sign long term you take a health risk on! The bottom line is at those reported contract terms Bay could very easily be unloaded on an A.L. team in need of a DH. should the need arise,….so relax already!
No I agree with you but maggs came off a surgery that they do for soccer players who try to save their careers, it was a bigger risk then bay & hey maggs was a great player for them
If he’s productive through the first three years and is sorta washed up in 2014..I think I can live with that.
I agree…I say the Joel Sherman twit, if he played and reaches the amount played. He does deserve it. I guess Omar has to bend a little and make it 5th year vesting option.
Again I agree,
I’m just saying that it could be a scary thing that 5th year vesting option. I would have it be solely based on what he does in the 4th year of the contract.
I won’t get on anyone for this signing though. You paying slightly more then the red sox were offering and got him with only a vesting option.
I’m just pointing out that we all thought 4 year deal, and that 5th year vesting option could come back to bite us in the rear in 2014. You never know.
oh and while they are at it-
Mets sign
#2 – Jerry Seinfeld!! :)
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/12/29/hall.of.merit/hernandez-seinfeld-getty.jpg
It would be smart if Bay showed up at his press conference with some prepared remarks about how much he loves New York, Mets fans, etc. Maybe a Ray’s pizza box under one arm, a Coney Island trophy under the other. and Empire State of Mind on the PA.
The guy held out for money not because he feared Queens.
true, after DeRosa signed it was us or nobody and he took it before Omar could pull it back.
Ya gotta give Omar kudos for his patience in this situation, with an ever impatient fan base beathing down his neck! Well Done Omar,…..well done indeed!
Omar signed a good player at 16.5 mill per, I love the signing but Minaya did what any GM with resources would do.
No yanks would have paid him 18 mil and gotten it done in december.
I try to pretend the yanklee way of business doesn’t exists
lol
Over / Under on someone mentioning at the press conference how he was Met property for a little bit…
Is now a good time for the anti-Francesa parade to say they were wrong and that he wasn’t clueless? Or do we just find new, creative ways to bash him just because he doesn’t gush over the Mets? I swear it is as if we are looking for reaffirmation of our own beliefs and fanhood, yet use the term “objectivity” to compensate for our own doubts and insecurities. We all have biases, Francesa acknowledges his and does a pretty good job at balancing it and giving the Mets pleanty of attention on the show…. Anyhow, I like the Bay signing, but the team is still a good 3 moves away (at least) before they even contend for 2nd in the East. Molina is a start, Sheets/Bedard/Chapman (2 of 3) would be a big step, and bringing back Delgado would cap it off. I would speculate on Zambrano, but he is too volatile and on the downside to pursue as aggressively as a Halladay type.
The Mets still need a solid pitcher, but they easily match up with the Phillies.
Sheets/Bedard certainly if they stay healthy. chapman means nothing, and Delgado probably doesn’t improve the offense especially if we’re talking health.
Guys trust me, you do not want Bedard.
This is the same guy who could not deal with the Seattle media.
Now Sheets, as I’ve said over and over again, is someone the Mets should take a flyer on if the price is reasonable.
jerry crasnik says deal could be worth slighly more than 80 mil over 5 yrs if vesting option vests
if the first 4 are 66 as Sherman says, then the 5th at 14 isn’t terrible.
it’s probably backloaded don’t forget.
maybe the base, but the option can’t be.
i have the option at 16mil with 2 mil buyout.
4 mil signing bonus
yr 1-10mil
yr 2-13mil
yr 3-18mil
yr 4-19mil
So would it not make some sense to move Pagan or is he going to be the 4th OF?. Also once they sign a catcher then Santos is 3 on the depth chart no?. Lets say Molina and Blanco with Coste and Thole on call.
I would think KC may budge. I saw a post on here before that does make some sense
How about something like Maine, Castillo, Santos, Pagan for Meche, Callaspo , Bloomqvist
Why? I believe Maine could be every bit as good as Meche next year.
given Beltran’s knees I’d vote to keep Pagan. Can you put him in RF if Francouer slumps?
But if you trade Pagan then we can sign Endy Chavez who I believe is a FA
Deal is 4-years, $66M with a 5th year vesting option (based on plate appearances, but unclear how many). Option would push total deal to $80M.
link?
hopefully it’s 2400 or more, meaning he made 600 PA a year.
that’s less than 140 games a year for a middle of the order guy.
Sorry didn’t take into account walks, dumb on my part. So 650 PA every year would be 2600 PA over 4 years. That’s 162 games if you factor 4 AB’s a Game.
Nice Catch
where did u see the part about plate appearances for vesting option?
No point in comparing our lineup with the Phillies, CBP will bloat their numbers while Citi will keep our guys neutral.
At the same time it should help out pitchers.
Santana
Pelfrey
Perez
Maine
Neise
Still way to many if’s in that rotation though.
Agree,
They have to sign at least one, i hope 2 SP.
Is Maine even a guarantee that he’s on the team?
Personally i want Neise in AAA to start the year. I’ve said in other posts today No team gets through an entire season with the 1-5 in tact for every start. Someone will go down and miss some starts. I want Jon Neise to take those starts and not R.A. Dickey, Nelson Figeroura or someone of that ilk.
agree. I hope they do Sheets and Garland. And what is up with Bay. The physical might not be a formality. What does that mean? He has a problem or something
He was playing through injuries most of last year and played in only 151 games making 530 AB’s.
So i’m guessing that that is bad news to hear about Bay and his physical.
it is typical. Also, insurance reasons I guess.
Are you worried about it?
Not at all. Looking at his splits throughout the year he had his worst months in May June July, and had his best months in April, August, September and November.
No, he sat a few games in September after the Sox clinched and 5 games in early August. But, he had an OPS of 1.016 after 8/1.
thx, you 2. I thought that it was a bad sign of something.
relax. Think about it for a moment. Even though there is no apparant injury you are about to tie up $66,000,000. You’d want to make sure there wasn’t an injury.
lol. thx a lot. I thought now that the Mets got some one they were injured.
Niece has already dominated AAA already, give the kid a shot he has earned it, don’t punish Niece for a lack of depth. Besides there are going to be 2 guys in the pen that can spot start should the need arise in Escobar and Igarashi. Actually I would not be suprised at all to see Escobar in the rotation before the 2010 season is over!
He Dominated AAA for 14 starts, not an entire year. When he first started down there this season his ERA was in the 7′s.
He’s only 23, and I want to give him a chance. But i don’t want to be relying on him as the 5th starter leaving the mets no depth in the minors incase of an injury.
An Injury is going to happen to a SP. Write it down. I don’t know who, I don’t know when, It will happen. I’d feel 500 times more comfortable having Jon Niese in the minors waiting to take a start or 10 then anyone else the mets will have on that AAA team. Treat him similar to how boston treated Buncholz who is a year older and REALLY DOMINATED AAA. They waited letting him refine his craft more, waited for Penny to go down, Smoltz to go down, Dice K to go down, Then called him up.
There is no need to guarantee him a spot, and no need to rush him. Rather have him for depth while he still has the options.
What difference does it make if he starts 2010 in AAA or in the 5th spot? You will still have the same injury risk to the other starters? Yes it was for around 7 games that he dominated in AAA last season, but after that he was brought up and continued to pitch well at the big league level. That to me is the difference,….plenty of young kids pitch well in the minors only to fall flat on their face in the majors, but that did not happen with Niece this time around. Frankly I could care less at this point if AAA has good pitching,…..we NEED good pitching on the big league club NOW, and the only arms on the FA market that are anywhere near what the Mets really could consider an upgrade over who they already have are injury risks,….and expensive ones at that, so realisticly you are still looking at getting only 1 pitcher this offseason worth anything.
the difference is i’d rather have 5 good pitchers on the MLB level with a 6th in AAA for when one of them gets injured.
So lets just say Johan, Pelf, Ollie, Maine, Pienerio. Then neise for insurance.
My Ideal rotation is Johan, Sheets, Pelf, Ollie, Garland… Neise for insurance though. I don’t see that one happening as much.
Actually, I think Piniero is far more ideal than Garland. Piniero has great strike zone command and will give you great length. Also, he has the potential to be very good. Garland has no potential at all.
Of course its a question of cost, but if the Mets could somehow pull off a 2 year deal for say $10 million per, I would be ecstatic.
plus factor in his 2008 season, which wasn’t too shaby.
crasnik says its just wear and tear but he has avged 154 games a yr over the last few seasons
So maybe the scenario is that Bay doesn’t really prefer to play for the Mets, but he figures that their doctors are so bad that they won’t catch his shoulder injuries, so that will be the best and maybe only way for him to guarantee himself some serious dough.
the Sox offered 4/60… that alone tells me Bay is a good deal
Lot of hating on the ESPN forums, people just hate anything the Mets do so I dont even bother anymore.
Mets spend a lot with little results, the franchise is the butt of the league. Our fan base also is a little much, a couple of wins & we freak.
But, I love being a met fan.
Also I think Bay was worried that the Mets were close to pulling their deal and move on so he decided to sign knowing he wouldn’t get a better deal then the one given, I dont care, we needed a LF, we got one, lets move on now finally.
Exactly.
Bottom line is that they needed a big bat in left field which also allowed them to go with Murphy at first. Holliday would have cost them a lot more money which they can now use on other fill in players. There is nothing bad about this signing. They do need 2 more starting pitchers since their current rotation is average at best.
Scary isn’t this fantastic signing, scary is Jerry Manuel managing this guy
“well.. I think bay is a better hitter than wright”
-jerry manuel
spring training 2010
A NEW BAY FOR FLUSHING?!:
Let’s hope he pans out and isn’t Kevin McReynolds II…
Kevin McReynolds wasn’t awful.
P-Drag: We ain’t payin’ that boatload for ‘wasn’t awful’ – are we?
Seeing as his career offensive output is the same as Holliday and he never had the benefit of the ridiculous Coors Field, I do not see where the Mets did not get off on a bargain with Bay.
lol red sox fans now say bay sucks, because they didnt sign him. they forget that bay was their MVP last season.
Most Sox fans have said that he will be missed.
Btw this entire winter Sherman has been bashing everything Mets, I take what he says with a grrain oof salt.
Assuming we stay healthy, I am very excited about this move and what it does for our offense. Reyes leading off, and then the middle of the lineup with Beltran, Bay, Wright, and Franceour (and even Murphy) should be able to score enugh runs (probably more than almost any team not named the Phillies). Now, if there is one more SP to slot into the 2 hole, and I dont know if that pitcher exists on the FA market right now, I am optimistic about competing for a play-off berth next year. Of course, its December, the Giants are out of the NFL race, and we just signed a top tier free agent, so I am naturally optimistic at this point. But I am glad they got this done! Go Mets!
Actually, the Mets scored as many runs in 2008 as the Phillies, no reason they can’t outscore them with this lineup in 2010.
Who’s to say the phillies don’t get an injury or two, or that there bullpn will implode once and for all, or that the bottom 3 starters will all have ERA’s over 5
Bottom 4 starters. Not like Hamels has been lighting it up. The Mets rotation matches up very well.
I like our rotation but Hamels and Halladay are way better than any 2 starters we have. I mean Johan and Halladay to me are a wash but then it’s Hamels and Pelfrey and while both took a step back yesterday Hamels was an WS MVP. He had a bad year but he is immensely talented and he may do bad again but I like their chances. Then it’s Blanton-Maine even, Ollie-JA Happ “TALENT WISE” even, Jaime Moyer ATM-Niese Adv Mets. That’s if they don’t add anyone. I can see the Mets signing another starter who can eat innings and be a guy u can throw out their every 5 days wo worry. Garland, Piniero, or go with the high risk high reward Wang or Sheets. It would allow Niese to start the year in AAA and be there if Ollie or any of the other starters gets hurt. Why people think the Phillies did so much by getting Halladay is beyond me. Honestly, I’d rather have Cliff Lee.
Last year not yesterday.
Delgado had a monster 2008 after getting Willie fired. How about tossing him an incentive-laden 5 mil deal???
From what I understand the main reason people are stating in opposition to that is they want Murph to get a chance to develop. My issue with that is even if he does develop into a good ballplayer we still have Ike Davis on the rise, and 1B will be his for a while in queens.
Signing Delgado for one year at a low base salary is okay with me only if it doesn’t mean we have to skimp on starting pitching. Worst case scenario Delgado goes down and Murph starts again.
best case scenario is that he produces, Davis is ready at mid-year, and we trade Delgado for some prospects or hole that has developed during the season.
No bestcase senario is Murphy is the 1B and hits .300 with 20HRs and 75-80 RBI and FCore has an awesome season while Davis destroys AAA. then we have depth (because Davis can play both 1B and corner OF) and in the offseason we decide whether we trade FCore or Murphy and get some good prospects in return.
Any chance they signed Bay with the idea of giving him first base, and they ink Holliday next week?
no
That would be the most amazingly unlikely series of events to ever happen to the Mets. I’d say they have a 300x more likely chance of having every starting position player land on the 60day DL next year than have what you asked occur.
ummm, that makes it about even money, LOL
nope
Nah, they gotta get a pitcher now, no question about it!
sfca7: We like your ambition! How much are you willing to pay for a seat, by the way?
Good point. I don’t live in NY now, but grew up in Queens. I understand all the cautious advise (no crazy long-term singings, etc.) from fans & from Matt here on this blog, but after the last two years it surely would be fun to steal the back pages from the Bronx for a while.
Heyman twitted that the physical exam could be more like a marathan with redsox founding wrong with him when he was traded, and believed Mets know about it…
So from this Bay fits right in with injury portion. In terms of playing. I hope he will remain healthy for all the portion of the deal, if it is completed.
I bet bay flunks his physical.
Jason Bay also isn’t as bad a fielder as most people assume. In 2009 the BIS scouts (who review and rate every single ball in play over the course of the season) had him ranked 10th overall in the majors in left. Not bad at all.
http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/complete-votetally.asp
Holliday still ranked quite a bit higher on that chart.
Notice also Murphy didn’t do poorly at 1b though
Yeah Murph finished just out of the top 10, which is pretty good considering he spent a lot of the year at other positions. I would have preferred Holliday too.
Wait, so what was Francessa’s major announcement? Did I miss something?
This means Murphy at first, Castillo at second. The line up is fine.
Now Please Omar we need PITCHING!!, pretty please!!
I think that is their next target. But please no Pinero…
Agree. And no Pineiro. Please get Sheets. If we can get 2 SP’s get Garland. The next big signing for the Mets is Molina IMO.
Is everyone forgetting that Mike Pelfrey is still our #2 pitcher?
not in 10′ he isn’t. he will probably be our #3 or #4 if we get 2 pitchers.
as of right now he is our #2 pitcher. Maine is #3, Ollie is #4, Niese is #5. We can throw around awesome lineups all we want, but we have no shot with that pitching staff.
Well, if we get 2 SP’s assuming they are Sheets, and Garland, who is the odd-man out.
Who knows…but I think Mets re getting one SP for sure.
yes. Hopefully it’s Sheets. He’ll match up with Hamels perfectly.
Flip Ollie and Maine I don’t like having 3 Leftys in a row
alright. sounds good to me.
can we get some rhythmic clapping?
Lets Go Mets
Lets Go Mets
Lets Go Mets
more cowbell!
#@&*! He’s going to wear Jay Payton’s number!!!
What about Jonny Gomes for 1B? If for nothing else then against LHP. He should be cheap. Plus he can play RF if Francouer reverts.
Jerry Hairston is a good name to bring up.
I apologize to Francessa. I called him a total schmuck. He isn’t a total schmuck, but a partial one. He still is schmucky because he dragged this out and milked it way too much, toying with Mets fans.
I would have preferred Holliday, but that preference is tempered by the knowledge he’ll play an endless, tiresome waiting game. So I’m glad with Bay. And kudos to Omar for holding the line at 4 guaranteed years. Some Mets fans were skewering the Mets for not offering Bay 5 years. But patience pays.
Does Omar have more up his sleeve? This is from the Bleacher Report:
“Cubs’ pitcher Carlos Zambrano could also be headed to the Mets. A trade, perhaps involving a third team, is believed to be in the works to bring Zambrano to Flushing.”
If that pans out, Omar gets a gold star for this winter.
Link to the bleacher report:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/316076-mets-closing-in-on-bay-molina-zambrano
“The trade would involve the Mets parting with 2B Luis Castillo and another young player.”
my heart just skipped a beat
dude Sylow. your great. My heart skipped a beat! LOL! Well, Zambrano isn’t a Webb or Beckett but if we can get him AND trade Castillo, that will be sweet. We can then get Hudson to fill the role in 2nd base. The thing is, who is the Mets other young player. A prospect right? I would love an off-season, by getting Zambrano, Hudson, Molina, and Bay. Although, I want the Mets to look into Webb and Beckett next year. Question: Is Zambrano better than Lackey and how long is Zambrano under contract?
Got a feeling that other young prospect is Niese.
no deal. We can get webb or Beckett next year. I don’t want to part with Niese. And Zambrano said that he’s going to retire after this contract is done. I say no deal.
Niese for Zambrano and -(Castillo); I could live with that
I don’t know. Maybe like Maine, Tejada and Castillo but not Niese. It depends b/c Zambrano can put you over the top. Or if he will be a mistake and stick to his idea of retiring when the contract is done. If he does, it’s not worth it. If he doesn’t then I say we make the trade.
I like Niese, but Santana / Zambrano puts you into the Wainwright / Carpenter; Lincecum / Cain; Hernandez / Lee category.
I’ll worry about retirement if and when it happens.
Alright, but what other young pitchers do we have that are like Niese. Nieve….
Nieve is a journeyman and has had some injury issues. Look him up on Baseball-Reference. He is a spot starter and can be a wicked middle innings guy. He was throwing 97+ when he was in the pen.
then why not replace Niese with Nieve and add another prospect.
I hope the report is true. I will wait and not get any hopes up. But will Zambrano waive his no trade though. Tough questions.
It’s nice to imagine, but that blogger clearly knows about as much as my mominlaw’s rat terrier, Winnie.
I think I just jizzed in my pants, I hope we can do this, that would also mean we would probably go after Hudson if we can pull this one off.
way too much information, but I understand your enthusiasm
i didn’t need to know the 1st part.
If Omar’s pulling this off we gotta break out the T-shirts
lol. Am I the only one concerned about this. I don’t want to part with Niese and I’m afraid that Zambrano will stick with what he said about retiring after the contract is over.
I think I may have missed the part about Neise?
Also who cares if he retires after his next contract is up? He has three years left I believe, so that’s three years of him. He’s a lunatic he says stuff like this all the time. Hopefully he’s a lunatic that can get us to the WS, without having to sign Joel Pinerio
I 100% agree.
I’ll break open my bottle of 1977 Taylor-Fladgate
I’ll break out the bottle of Root Beer. Yeah. Take it like a man!
“I stand here beside myself”
other than being a bonafide top of the rotation guy he can fill the role of emergency PH left empty after the jetisoning of Livan.
LOL … he’s got an OPS the last two years that’s higher than Brian Schneider”s.
the picture in your link has him batting.
lmfao.
oh my we got bay!! I’m pretty thrilled, nice power bat, very interested in presser to see if he says anything about loving or not loving NY.
Zambrano to the Mets? Could it happen? Not getting excited just yet
me either. When Zambrano says, he wants to retire after my contract is up, I wouldn’t do it. And having to part with Niese. We should just get Sheets and get Webb or Beckett next year. Lets take one year at a time though.
Sheets is available this year but I don’t see how you can wait another year, i want to compete now, who knows what a year from now will bring
No, I meant get Sheets this year and get Webb or Beckett next year. Give Sheets a 1year incentive laden deal.
I am, but I forgot my coat and its supposed to get into the teens after work and am looking for an excuse not to go outside.
that was random. Do you have a car?
randomness: it is late, I think I misread the post to which I replied.
car: yes, but it has leather seats. Granted they are heated, but those first few minutes won’t be fun.
where are you. Nit being creepy but I’m in Stamford CT, and htere is a wind chill of 3
I live near St Louis. Ahh, 3F wind chils. I lived up in Iowa for awhile. We would get a strech of about 7-10 days where the air temp never got over 0. WCs were in the -30 to -45 range. My dogs, except for the ijiot Husky, never wanted to go outside. They would stand by the door and pee. I can’t say as I blamed them.
sorry. That was so obvious. I should get shanked for that. You told me you live there along time ago. Wow, I feel dumb. Nice story. Did you get a lot of snow over the last week? We got like a foot!
We didn’t get much here. I drove up to Iowa (and back) Sunday. They got hammered. Down here it will melt in a few days. Up in Iowa it stays around. Typically they get 45 – 60 days where it never gets above 30 so nothing melts.
Yeah I saw that about the east.
lucky. I like the snow but baseball and track more.
LOL, I’m 50 so I like the snow because it means I don’t have to mow the lawn.
I mow the lawn and I’m a teen. It is not the fun or boring. If I do it, my dad usually plays baseball with me.
If the Mets could get zambrano then i like them in 2010
assuming Wright bounces back and beltran and reyes are healthy which is not much to ask then the offense should be fine
the bullpen looks deep with Escobar the new japaneese pitcher and ofcourse K-rod
and if the Rotation has Santana and Zambrano as its top 2 Im likin it….it would be one of the best 1-2 punches in the Majors
dont forget about Bay.
I still think even if they could land Zambrano that they should still try to sign one more pitcher just to add depth
and i would still like to add delgado….but i doubt the mets will resign him…..I think he is worth the health risk……if he is healthy he will hit atleast 30 homeruns……I would even be happy if he has a season like 07 which is the worst he has done since his rookie year….26 homeruns
the lineup would be deadly
Reyes
Hudson(assuming castillo is traded in a deal for Zambrano)
Beltran
Bay
Wright
Delgado
Molina
F-core
Thats a great line up
Johan
Zambrano
Garland
Pelfrey
Perez
Hot Dam
if we had Zambrano and Maine was still around I’d be real tempted to go after Sheets.
NIce!!!!
Omar played this signing very well, but Im still not thrilled about 2010. Bay will bring a strong bat and better defense we had last year but the rotation is still not balanced. To improve the rotation we need 1) a decent catcher (molina) that can frame and call the game pretty good, 2) a decent #2 (i.e Sheets/Wang), and 3) eliminate one of the 50/50′s (i.e Maine or trade Ollie and sign Pineiro/Garland).
Johan
Sheets/Chien-Ming Wang
Pineiro/Garland
Pelfrey
Perez
I do not think all this can be done this year so signing Chapman / Maya now will definitely be needed for the future rotation. As well as an improvement in 1B will assist the rotation with solid defense. Delgado would have been nice but it does not seem he will be ready for 2010. I would think Xavier Nady would be nice but his price is too expensive.
I’ll take the Zambrano trade or Sheets and Garland.