In a post to Twitter, Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus said:
“Big news pending for Mets. Doesn’t sound good.”
…oh, man, and pitchers and catchers is just five weeks away… what’s up, will…
Updated at 9:35 pm:
Joel Sherman of the New York Post says he heard Carlos Beltran had microfracture surgery today without the team’s permission.
Updated at 9:39 pm:
According to Jon Heyman of SI.com, Carlos Beltran had knee surgery today, he is expected to need eight weeks of rehab and will miss the start of the season.
Updated at 9:45 pm:
In a follow-up post, Joel Sherman of the New York Post says a second source believes Carlos Beltran simply had his knee ‘scoped,’ and ‘cleaned up,’ ‘though the Mets are acting like it was more than routine.’
Sherman cites a third source who says this was not microfracture surgery, “but standard scope and Mets team physician Dr. David Altchek and team were OK on this.”
Updated at 9:51 pm:
The Mets issued the following press release a few moments ago:
“Carlos Beltran had worsening of osteoarthritis of the right knee during the offseason. He had not been experiencing pain following the conclusion of the season and into his early offseason conditioning. The symptoms returned to the point where pre-spring training conditioning became too painful. He elected to undergo arthroscopic clean out of the arthritic area of his knee by Beltran”s personal physician Dr. Richard Steadman today in Colorado. He is anticipated to return to baseball activities in 12 weeks.
…i talked with someone close to the team earlier tonight, and they sounded quite distraught… i can’t blame them, that’s how i feel… what a shame, and now what… i mean, how does the team go about replacing beltran for the year, now, with five weeks left before pitchers and catchers, because i really hope they do not freak out and panic… yes, i realize the team says 12 weeks… but, i heard earlier in the day he would be out for the season, and, so, like was the drill last year, until i see him out, running, playing on the field, i’m going to assume the worst… i do think the Mets can hang tight with Angel Pagan, if beltran really is going to be out just through mid-April…
…and b) how is this going to impact the team, who had to deal with injuries all last season, probably thought it put that behind them where they could now start new in March, only to have to face the same questions and concerns before the season even begins… ugh… what a shame…
Updated at 10:10 pm:
…here’s the other thing, if what Kevin Burkhardt said on SNY is true, and the Mets really didn’t know he was having this surgery, despite what sherman said earlier, then does have any implications in terms of his contract, and what does that say about his relationship with the team’s medical staff, and decision-making process, in that he did this on his own and chose to use his personal physician…
In a post to TedQuarters, SNY’s Ted Berg asks the Mets not to panic.
Updated at 10:22 pm:
Joel Sherman of the New York Post says the Mets are claiming Beltran’s procedure was done ‘without their blessing,’ ‘and are threatening some form of action.’
…i also talked to someone close to the team who does not sound happy…
…from what i can gather, the team might have been aware he was going under for one reason, but then, for some other reason, things changed and beltran might have elected to have a different procedure done… if this is the case, things could get ugly…
Updated at 10:30 pm:
…according to a person high up with the team, the Mets did not make any major changes to their medical staff this off season; but instead added an assistant or two to help facilitate paperwork, and other administrative duties, for Ray Ramirez and Company…
In an on-air report for SNY, Kevin Burkhardt called this a ‘flat-out disaster.’ Later, in a post to Twitter, he said, though the Mets knew about the surgery, they didn’t agree with him having it.
Updated at 10:45 pm:
…also, i get the feeling Scott Boras is going to be called out for this, in some, way, shape or form, before all is said and done… from what i can gather, he and beltran played a big role is convincing Oliver Perez to go to Arizona for off-season training… boras has a heavy hand in his client’s activities… the word last summer had been that beltran was planning on asking the Mets for a contract extension, but then hit the disabled list and that was that… now here we are… something just doesn’t seem right… and, i can’t help and think we might soon see people pointing fingers…
Updated at 11:13 pm:
According to a new report for the New York Post, recapping the night’s events, Joel Sherman says, ‘the Commissioners Office and the Players Association have been alerted ‘the Mets are claiming this was done without clearance and that the Mets are threatening to take some form of action. There is a potential issue out there.’’
However, Sherman believes the Mets were not in the dark on this, and, ‘Mets doctors and trainers were kept abreast of the diagnosis in Colorado, even if the Mets did not agree with the remedy.’
4 years for Piniero and 3 years for Molina, plus a contract extension for Castillo? What could it be?
I got here 64 minutes too late
“how does the team go about replacing beltran for the year”
Who’s panicking now?
12 weeks, not 12 months.
I think they Yankees missed A-Rod for a bit last year, no?
I’d be more ticked of about Beltran making the decision on his own. That speaks volumes about Beltran’s feelings about the FO.
Better for Carlos to have it taken care of now. By the time he gets in shape the weather will warm up and hopefully he can play the full season with a few extra days off. He might want to bring a first baseman’s glove to Florida. Introduce themselves and get aquainted.
Well, I wouldn’t trust the mets medical staff with a stubbed toe… The medical staff has no &$@&ing clue, they are a joke… Beltran I am glad u stayed away from them.
reyes. hammy. exploded.
You would think it’d be injury news on Johan/Reyes etc, but Carrol is infamous for mis leading tweets…
Yeah. The guy has zero credibility to me. I’ll believe whatever when I see it.
Jason Bay was attacked by Ninjas and had his arm sliced off…
And the Mets didnt have a NInja insurance clause in his contract…
Thats what it is. lol. hopefully that was last year.
whos scared molina is 48 hours away and there are still good pitchers out there dont worry have patience
Gonna guess something about Perez.
since hes a prospect guy id say maybe a guy is out for the yr or something of our big prospects
As long as it doesn’t involve Reyes or Santana i’m good
Could be Carlos Beltran’s knee??? My cousin works at the Hospital for Special Surgery and she said that he was in for a surgical procedure a couple of weeks ago but couldn’t go into specifics due to confidential reasons… I’ll cross my fingers that it isn’t him!
The fact that she mentioned he was there for a procedure is enough to get her into trouble. Now that she’s likely fired, might as well get the whole scoop.
She doesn’t know why…she couldn’t find out for confidential reasons. But knows for a fact he was there for a procedure…She didn’t know how serious…
Sorry for not making that clear.
Oh I was just kidding. No worries. I’m sure she just saw him in passing or his name on a list somewhere.
probably an std, tiger woods style hahaha
I’m worried about it because he had the surgery done and the Mets didn’t tell anyone. I hope it was just a minor thing… We will see I guess.
U sure it was a procedure? Because it could be a followup or a pre-springtraining physical. Maybe just had his knees drained common procedure thats NBD.
Not sure.
your credibility will be completely destroyed on this blog permanently if it is not a Beltran injury. You essentially are gossiping about something that would be all but impossible to keep under wraps from the entire news world this day and age. Let alone for weeks.
I believe we should just wait and see what the Mets have to say – lets not get anyone into trouble over this.
Patrick all I’m saying is that I know for a fact that he was there for a procedure. And I said I’m hoping it was nothing serious
P.S. – For the record I dont care what you think.
Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears Carlos Beltran had microfracture surgery today without the team’s permission.
Hey Patrick you just lost your credibility buddy.
DONT EVER DOUBT ME PATRICK!!!!!!
Mets center fielder Carlos Beltran underwent minor knee surgery Wednesday, sources connected to the Mets told SI.com.
Beltran will need 8-12 weeks of rehab and is expected to be recovered at or around Opening Day. The Mets begin the season at home vs. the Marlins on April 5.
Beltran missed significant time last season because of a bone bruise behind the right knee cap.
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I am sorry did you not read what I wrote? And by the way I thought your cousin witnessed this two weeks ago, not this morning.
I guess he was getting examined for the surgery… Eitherway I was right and you need to start being nicer to people on this site. You act like you know it all and you obviously DO NOT!
When you have surgery Patrick do you not get examined prior to the surgery or do you just wake up one day and say “hey I think I’ll have surgery today on my knee???”
that is a nice spin on it, if and when the Mets say he was seen at the hospital for special surgery for an evaluation your story might make sense. until then it reads like someone ad libbing off of twitter
?????? Nothing was posted about Beltran when I mentioned it. What are you talking about??
I am not sure you know how to read.
I know how to read but you always need to insert a sarcastic comment to everyones post. You act like your Marty Noble.
there was nothing sarcastic about what I wrote, if saying that is dangerous to engage in rumor mongering makes me like marty noble, color me marty.
Well it wasn’t a rumor it was a fact….obviously
just curious, why did your fact only suddenly strike you as important information to share on Metsblog at 8:40 pm on January 13th if you knew through your “source” that Beltran was at the hospital two weeks ago?
Why dont you read what I wrote. I said I knew he was at the hospital a couple of weeks ago but didn’t know why. NOW WE KNOW WHY PATRICK.
And I dont have to explain myself to you. I was right… and you are being your typical sarcastic self and was just made to look foolish.
Actually I am not being sarcastic at all, and it is evident you do not even know what that word means.
You are right, you don’t HAVE TO explain yourself to me, but you seem pretty set on trying to prove yourself without really supplying any facts. The only facts have come from real people covering the team. Not people watching twitter and trying to draw conclusions based on stretched truths.
You’ll respond with something about sarcasm right now or what have you. Just so you know, I’ll be sleeping. That is not sarcasm, that is a fact.
I didn’t see anything on twitter. I knew that he was at the hospital a few weeks ago – It was an educated guess and it turned out to be true. Show me one report or twitter posting that said something about Beltran before my post. Go ahead find it Patrick.
you are undeniably wrong patrick, because he was the definition of right….get over it
Hats off to NYMETS23 for getting the scoop nearly an hour before everyone else!
“I wrote at 7 pm news would break tonight, but hat tip to @blankman1031 for being the first to Tweet about Beltran’s surgery a few min later”
That is directly from the author of Metsblog. The chatter and speculation regarding Beltran began about 7:07 est on Twitter. Do you know not think there are records of these things?
Gingerballs, please explain how I am wrong in suggesting making a very suspect, “my friends, cousins, dog says…” is dangerous.
His claim was this happened two weeks ago, he somehow never saw fit to suggest to anyone that a major sports star might have had serious surgery. Rather after the facts of the story break, the rumor morphs into well he was probably there for prep surgery? Please. At the end of day if you want to believe that a fans knew this information somewhere in the neighborhood of December 30th to January 2nd and just tucked it away until it became news, go right ahead.
Patrick now your just lieing. Whats wrong with you????
He was in the hospital for a procedure..two weeks later he has surgery. Matt or anyone else did not post that on this twitter before I did.
All I saw on Twitter was what everyone else saw, including Cerrone, from Carroll’s post…”Big news pending for Mets doesnt sound good.” When I saw that I remembered my cousin saying Beltran was at the hospital a couple weeks ago for a procedure and I guessed it was him… Turns out I was right.
WHAT DONT U UNDERSTAND PATRICK????
Patrick you tried calling me out by saying…
“your credibility will be completely destroyed on this blog permanently if it is not a Beltran injury. You essentially are gossiping about something that would be all but impossible to keep under wraps from the entire news world this day and age. Let alone for weeks.”
As it turns out it was about a Beltran injury.. IM RIGHT…Also it was OBVIOUSLY kept “under wraps” by Beltran because the Mets didn’t even know about the surgery in Colorado OR, I guess, the visit to the Hospital for Special Surgery two weeks ago.
What am I missing Patrick????
hope fully it has nothing to do with Johan Reyes Wright Beltran Bay Pelf – :-)
PED suspension perhaps?
Carrol is also the same guy that said there would be two huge announcements at Winter Meetings and they were Google and Bloomberg
Haha, I forgot about that. What a flop that was.
Was that the interesting news? From your twitter Matt?
Big news probably = Santana or Reyes.
Please not reyes or santana please not reyes or santana please not reyes or santana please not reyes or santana please not reyes or santana please not reyes or santana please not reyes or santana
my guess is hes not talking about cora or santos!
haha, we are dead!
if it doesnt involve the mets key players im good
And does anyone else think Will Carroll is a @#$% or a @#@#$@# for being a cliffhanging @#$#@
Agreed
I thought he was already based on my observations from the winter meetings, among other things.
If he’s really got any news, my guess is it’s Perez because he’s the only one that’s doing any serious work right now.(beyond something like a car accident).
Isn’t K-Rod pitching too?
Mabye they decided kevin burkhart will play 1b
my vote is reyes, man, the life of a mets fan!!!
I think Burkhart has more range then Murphy.
i dont know of him but it sounds like he doesnt seem so smart
Delgado beats Reyes in scamper around the bases. Molina comes in second.
Delgado is coming back.
It’s a 5 year extension for Omar!
maybe jay horowitz is involved is a sex/love triangle with omars wife who is involved with wilpons son?
What does the term pending imply? Something pending is usually an issue that can go one of many ways. My guess is a pending PED suspension.
Or maybe a pitcher they were interested in, ie Pineiro, has an agreement with another club.
And that would be bad for exactly what reason?
NOOOO!!PLEASE NO MORE INJURIES!!!!!
I have no Idea what this is. Could be signing Molina to a two year deal, which I do not have a problem with. Or Piniero is signing with the Dodgers so it would mean another pitcher is off the board. Or a key injury, but it would have come out not “pending”.
Mo Vaughn is coming back!
Edgardo Alfonzo 2nd base
what r u serious
Maybe it’s just that Delgado is calling it a career.
no he said DOESN’T sound good.
hahahah-nice
oh no! the home run apple has a worm!
Well if you click on the link, it says injury expert so now I am worried.
please no setbacks for any of these players. spring taring is in 5 weeks
Dammit, did someone get into a taxi again? Car service people, use a reputable car service!
Carroll only deals with injuries…. could be Franceour recovering slowly from surgery?
Hate to be the bearer of bad news guys but…
Will Carrol just told me that he heard that Mike Francessa heard that someone familiar with team thinking heard from his girlfriend’s friend’s cousin that Jose Reyes was seen partying at this nightclub in the Bronx and kissed David Wrights girlfriend. Now they totally aren’t friends anymore.
/knows a guy
dang that sucks cmon reyes that was ur bestfriend
wait! is it that Mr.Met was named in the Mitchell report?
The link says it doesn’t exist. What the @#$%?!!!
Apparently Beltran is gonna get microfracture surgery.
source?
Mike Silva via Twitter.
Of course he now Tweets that its doubtful, so again who the hell knows? I still think its taxicab related.
but not impossible remember Will Carroll himself reported back in late July that Beltran could need microfracture surgury even after he comes (now came) back in september and would try to avoid it.
http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/30/news-beltran-could-miss-all-of-2010/
is ti that Fernando Tatis is close to signing with the Rockies?or is is the Mariners?
Oh boy, whats going on here?!
The bad news is that the marlins are being forced to swpend more, meaning that they afre more liely to keep Josh Johnson
PLEASE not a season-ending injury. I’m usually very optimistic but this team as presently constructed just doesn’t have the depth to get past a major player going down before the season begins.
I can’t see how this could be Beltran, wouldn’t it be out there if he was scheduling surgery? Plus he never would be allowed come back. Also how is it only one guy out there in the whole blogosphere knows that something that “might not be good” is “coming soon”. I don’t get it. Although twitter is exploding a hundred rumors are going to come out of this and it’s not good. If you have info hand it over.
Ledger_NYMets says no injury to reyes or santana…
I heard Beltran out all year.
man if one of our big guys: Santana, reyes, Wright, Beltran or even kRod(or Bay!!) is already out we’re going to be the laughing stock….again!!!
WTF…………what is it already????!!?????!!???!!
Joal Shermon says ” Trying to get 2d confirmation, but hear that Beltran had microfracture knee surgery today without #Mets permission”
*(&#^R(*^#(*^&(*%&^
i wonder if that voids his contract at least that would free up some extra cash
nyp_joelsherman says Beltran had microsurgery WITHOUT Mets permission
http://twitter.com/nyp_joelsherman
Holy S!!! That’s it. Beltran’s out!
One down already guys. Pagan in CF???
This team is cursed. I blame the Wilpons.
wow…this the opposite type of anticpation as compared to when Francessa had big Met news. I’d say its more an impending doom feeling
someone mentioned carroll deals qwith prospects often so maybe its a setback regarding Niese?? But i guess that wouldn’t be “big news”
Why don’t any other team have these scenarios lately besides us?
Mets center fielder Carlos Beltran underwent minor knee surgery Wednesday and is expected to be sidelined 8-12 weeks, sources connected to the Mets told SI.com.
Beltran out 8 weeks for knee surgery, not microfracture, apparently “scope clean up”
Mets center fielder Carlos Beltran underwent minor knee surgery Wednesday, sources connected to the Mets told SI.com.
Beltran will need 8-12 weeks of rehab and is expected to be recovered at or around Opening Day. The Mets begin the season at home vs. the Marlins on April 5.
Beltran missed significant time last season because of a bone bruise behind the right knee cap.
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SNY is saying he can resume baseball activities in april but won’t be game ready until early May
beltran had knee surgery 8 weeks to rehab
Wow this blows!
Joel Sherman and Wallace Matthews are prob doing backflips right now and spraying champagne!
NOOO…. BELTRAN?? WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO DESERVE THIS?? WTF!!!!
GOOD GOD! THE SEASON HASN’T EVEN STARTED YET!
could be way worse guys, we all know that, seems he’ll be recovered around opening day
dont make sense johantheman havent you heard that we are supposed to act insane because we are mets fans?
Well, season over. No Beltran, no chance.
not sarcasm because without beltran we don’t have much of a chance… so you must be serious.
thank god… so you won’t be coming back since the seasons over, right?
if that is sarcasm you need to work on it
!! :p
Im not being sarcastic. So I guess I don’t have to work on anything. Maybe you need to work on not being such a dbag.
Yea the Mets medical staff is aces. Unbelievable that this guy had to wait till now to have this surgery. I’m sure he could’ve had it done earlier. I’m really getting sick of this franchise.
Yeah that’s my question, they knew this was an issue before the ’09 season even ended, why in the world would he wait untill now to have this surgery.
I have a concern that Beltran will always be hurt throughout his entire career. That contract the Mets signed Beltran to is really looking scarier as each year goes by.
He was afraid he would actually have to work this year, pathetic.
Dude, please stop being a fan then. The guy had the surgery without the team’s permission. Per the reports he had a scope cleaning that they didn’t even know about. How in any way does that implicate the training staff? How can you be sure that he has done anything this offseason that they are remotely close to being aware of.
I’ve been reading this blog for a while, and you seem to be the biggest pessimist here. Do you hate life? Why do you bother?
agreed about the pessimism, its so nauseating.
but this is the main legit point. beltran should have had surgery back in october. i dont quite understand it. i’m sure the full story will come out.
8-12 weeks is far from a big deal in january….
ok lewis i agree with u if u guys cant stand this franchise go with a different team and for u people down farther in the list READ THIS would u rather have beltran out for a little bit of the season or have season ending surgery which the mets could be contenders shut up all ready of him not doing the right thing after we sign bengie and two other pitcher go get ankiel he said he doesnt mind playing part time and pagan and “f-mart” SUCK so every one that said hes not a team player he is he decided to help the team a little later than not able to help the team at ALL so READ THIS and tell me what u think.
I know as much as you know, so don’t try to make it seem like just because I’m being negative I’m automatically wrong. After what we witnessed last season how can you expect anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence to have any faith in the medical staff of this team and anything that goes on with these players regarding surgeries, rehabs, and time tables. 8-12 weeks, sure that sounds right but havent we heard things like this before. I want this team to win, I want nothing more than for our team to win a world series, heck Id take a division title right about now. But the way this team is run from top to bottom just does not inspire much confidence. I commend you for being so optimistic, I lost that ability a while ago.
ok beltran was a great player and a huge bat. but thats why we signed bay so theres an extra bat and to play left field i just have feeling this is going to be like the yankees an arod texeria was basically the only power hitter the yankees had (but they also had pitching so get some pitchers). but the mets have more power hitters than the yankees did anyway lets start with bay wright francouer molina had 20 reyes can hit 15 just like jeter if we can get hudson he can 10-14 were ok one player doesnt make a team.
Hey angel pagan repeat what you did last year pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Pagan is the Key guy. Most say he is the most athletic and gifted player on the mets. Now if he can just keep his head screwed on right and not make any bonehead decisions on the basepaths, then he can hold the fort down until CB gets back
I’m actually kind of relieved that’s all this news was. Beltran is going to be on the 15-day DL at least once this year anyway, and Pagan is more than adequate to fill in, esp in April.
I keep reading the words “without the Mets’ permission” written ominously. Does that type of action have any bearing on his contract?
I am sure there is some clause in there that covers something like this. You don’t sign a guy for 100 mil+ and not protect yourself. Man, when is this injury garbage going to stop
One guy says microfracture surgery, one says minor surgery. What gives? Typical misinformation on the Mets! Either way, missing 8 to 12 weeks isn’t minor, so whoever is running with the story “minor surgery” is wrong.
matt, heyman said may misss start of season not for sure
SI_JonHeyman heard beltran had knee surgery today. expected to need 8 weeks rehab. may miss start of year
DOES ANYONE NOT WANT DELGADO NOW?????
I don’t want Delcrappo now.
Well The Mets really don’t have a choice now. We need his bat.
not me. no sir
Wuts Rick Ankiel’s market looking like rite now or do we let FMart and Pagan battle it out in ST.
If you do the math, 8 to 12 weeks – we can make it 14 weeks, because nothing ever goes as planned for the Mets, Beltran would only miss the first month of the season. Let Pagan and Martinez see what they can do for a month instead of spending a lot on a one-month fill-in. Plus get a slugger for 1B. I know there aren’t a lot out there, but now they may have to consider Laroche for $8 or $9 million.
I still think having Ankiel on the bench would be a good move and thats one moth into the season before he begins rehab and who knows how long the rehab time is after that. He’ll probably have to DH for around anohter week and then gradually start playing the field in increasing innings intervals which might take another 2 weeks. so thats almost another month in rehab. Having Ankiel i think would be a nice addition because even after beltran gets back we can either trade Ankiel for someone who needs an OF or if Francour reverts then Ankiel or Beltran becomes the RF.
Yeah. Pay for it out of Beltran’s check. After all, he’s clearly a team player. Surgery on his own?
If you’ve seen how the Mets handled injuries in the past, particulary Beltran’s, you would understand why one would get surgery on their own.
True, but know Joel Sherman is twitting that:
nyp_joelsherman #Mets are definitely claiming Beltran procedure done without their blessing, and are threatening some form of action
and Kevin twitted that:
KBurkhardtSNY profile
KBurkhardtSNY As I said on #Sportsnite at the top of the hour, Beltran did this surgery on his own. Mets will hold a conference call tomorrow #bigtrouble
This is going to be interesting fast
Thank god for insurance! lol
if beltran is gonna miss some time, we will need a better 1B with more power than murphy.
get laroach/blalock and ankiel and we can hang in the nl east until beltran comes back
No biggie; i don’t have tix for opening day.
Get Well Soon Carlos! We need you!
I can’t believe this is happening again. I’m not going to be able to handle another year like 09.
just have faith
I want to know more about that free nfl team jacket, what’s up with that?
also not to correct this post but the tweets I have been getting say
SI_JonHeyman
heard beltran had knee surgery today. expected to need 8 weeks rehab. may miss start of year. #mets
it also looks like the mets did know about it and were okay with it soO i mean whatever
well, I willtake the under on games played by beltran this year. I don’t even care what the line is. Anything in double digits, take the under.
This makes so little sense. Microfracture is always the last resort, and 8 weeks recovery? Not likely
Allen Houston is still trying to come back 7 years after the surgery!
OK, if it is a minor cleanup, 8-12 makes sense. Of course, being the Mets, we may see himin July, but still better then MF stuff.
#^%*%!!!
Well, at least we have Pagan. Not ideal, but a whole lot better than Cora filling in for Reyes.
This is the exact reason I was against trading both Pagan and F-mart! Not that you disagreed, but I don’t know many of these new guys on here! lol
I didn’t want to trade both. I had mind-pencilled Beltran in for 40 games missed this year; just not all at once. It could be worse. Think Cora in at SS for a month or two. At least, if he can repeat last year, Pagan produces offense. You lose power, but you’re going to have a lot of speedy guys at the top of the order. Now they need to get an upgrade for 1B with some pop. Just not Delgado
Yeah I know you didn’t want to, but wanted to strike up a convo, and well, you were the first one on here I’ve chatted with before. I agree on Pagan he does at the very least provide offense. Perhaps if we can get F-Core to chip in with a few more HR’s we’ll be okay, but Murphy at first now looms larger, and from the sounds of it Delgado isn’t going be able to get it done, (atleast that’s the word) so who knows. Lost in all this is the fact that now Molina will probably get a few more million in his paycheck…….and Pineiro,……..uugh my head is spinning!
Thanks. I’m heading to the bottom. It’s difficult to keep up on my iPhone. The 1030 update sounds like he’s gone for the year. Will explain at the bottom
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cora wasnt terrible he just wasnt at the right position and pagan has NOOOOOO right to be in center field on the bench is perfect
Who knows. Last year it was 8-12 weeks for Delgado, who never played again. Reyes was always on his way back. I don’t trust any of these time frames.
they never said 8-12 weeks it was 3-4 months
Why are we not hearing the facts? What is with the cliffhanger bologna these days? Is this Dallas the TV show from the 80s…yes, I just dated myself. I can’t help it, my mom liked the show and it had a hell of a theme song.
bologna.
why would the mets wait this long to do this WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
The Mets didn’t wait. Beltran did, and decided w/o telling them.
Nice. Team player.
was there anything on mets.com or anyother baseball site that said mets give ok beltran says im ok. no he didnt the mets didnt want to but beltran knew he needed it so next time dont blame the player
With no Beltran it looks like we could have another premature F-Mart sighting, which isn’t good for our lineup…
Ouch. This team really is unlucky.
ANKIEL
If he needs 8 Weeks to rehab… wouldnt that just mean he misses the first 3weeks of spring?
Probably a few weeks w/no activity, then “resume baseball activities”
Three months? Maybe more?
Then the question becomes, will Carlos be able to play center? It appears painfully obvious that his knee will never be the same again.
Now what do they do?
this is a bad deduction lewis. knees are tricky but carlos can play the game, and knees can be repaired. see andre dawson
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5imfsXoGiO-jGnI9jq7Z0Xz6p7l_w
beltran has also proven he will play through the pain when the team is in competition despite what many of our local pessimists and cynics might think
no because player dont just say ok im beter lets play they test out the injury later in the rehab to see if its ok
yes so people get your boxers out of you a@# and relax he’ll be fine and back to his houston self if we dont ride this like a roller coaster up and down up and down
well its official beltran had knee surgery i do but dont agree with it he needed it so he can play at 100% but i dont agree with it because hes gonna miss all of spring training but lets all hope he will be better going into the season
Well, it’s bad news, but if it’s really something that’ll fix him, worst case seems to be missing a handful of games at the beginning of the season. not a huge deal.
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If he just had it scoped and cleaned, it’s really nothing to worry about. That’s a heck of a lot different than microfracture surgery.
The concern would be if that wasn’t enough to heal him. But yeah, likely misses little to no time. Just under 12 weeks till opening day.
the only person that will know that beltran will recover is the doctor go ask him
I feel like Beltran will never get back to where he was and this will ultimately lead to his career ending. Hopefully i am wrong but i just get that feeling.
Something tells me though it is time to trade him at the first possible opportunity. We could get a lot of good prospects in return for him…
Not now. No team would give up anything close to top talent for him after this news.
You won’t get much of anything now, untill he proves his health again, you could get more for Pagan! ,……very sad, the last thing we needed at this point, but honestly it’s better we know going in than be in 1st place and have him go down.
that would be stupid. last season a little before santana got hurt the blue jays made and offer to the mets for “f-mart” ruben tejada bobby parnell and beltran the mets said no without a thought and during the next game ron darling brought up the proposed trade and followed that up with we wont trade beltran until we see he cant produce or preform up to his standards so that wont happen for a while
Another example of the complete ineptitude of this teams medical staff. This is something that they should have realized was going to happen and should have done it during the 09 season so he would be ready to rip in 2010. Also, the fact that he used his own doctor and didn’t tell them shows that the players don’t even have any faith in them. This franchise is a JOKE from top to bottom.
why are you ripping the medical staff he ran to hard and hurt his knee and unfortuantally got worse its not the medical staffs fault they did there best
Devastated, angry, I feel like taking a sledge hammer to Citifield. I don’t know if there is someone to blame, I don’t care, I just wanna rip Jeff Wilpon’s ugly face-off.
i to some exctent agree with you the wilpon need to drop there B#LL& and say we cant contend with a average linup lets get him him annnnnnd him we should be set until beltran returns
Stick a fork in him, this guy’s career is done. I wonder if there is a way to get out of his contract if the procedure was unauthorized?
wow thats so outlandish it must be true!
how can u say that beltran is 31 and has alot more baseball good thing your not the gm every mets fan would booooo you
So if it is 12 weeks to resume basball activities that would be like the first full week of april. Figure a month or two to get ready so we could see Beltran back like late june/early july?
yea and if we can sign the players we need the mets will seemingly forget beltrans injury so dont just count the mets out yet and thats just one player out of 40 we still have bay wright reyes francouer molina when we sign him and hoefully laroach and ankiel thats alot of bats
OK im confused here Mets say “He is anticipated to return to baseball activities in 12 weeks.” but Matt is saying plan a) replacing beltran for the year
whats this mean is he going to be back or not?
IM FREAKING OUT MAN
I get the feeling technically it’s supposed to take 12 weeks, but that the Mets are anticipating that this is simply a precursor to Microfracture surgery. Why else would they be this concerned? With Pagan and F-mart they could easily live without Beltran for a month, sounds to me like it’s going to be a lot more than a month that he is out.
Pagan will likely start the season as the CF if Beltran is out. No real free agent options that will take a part time job once Beltran returns. A player like Rick Ankiel is not an option.
CF is a tough position to simply just fill.
This is thinking outside of the box, but how about seeing if Orlando Hudson can play some center field. I remember hearing last year that the Yanks had interest in him as a CF candidate. That is probably too crazy to actually consider, but I’m just throwing it out there.
He would then be able to play OF and 2B…..
why would omar take that chance pagan gets hurt every yeat since hes been on the mets 08 dodgers stadium dove into stands torn arm liganements done for season.09 pulled leg muscle out for a while there is no sense of letting him patrol the field. and plus “f-mart” is 20 years old toooooooo young. get ankiel for a month or two how ever long beltran is out and the team will barley miss a step
Wow that’s all i can say
“i mean, a) how does the team go about replacing beltran for the year, now, with five weeks left before pitchers and catchers, i really hope they do not freak out and panic”
What are you talking about Matt, didn’t you just put up a quote that says he’s out of baseball activities for 12 weeks? How does this translate into missing the whole season?!
umm 12 weeks is code word for season, dude,remember reyes was day to day in may last year!
damon? 1 year 9 mill
damon cant play center so then our whole outfield would be just corners playing the wrong position
is beltran a pitcher or cacter
Seems like going behind Mets doctors’ backs was the best thing he could do. Of course he probably needs 18 weeks to come back and the Mets are saying he needs 12.
the only way he was going to get better was by the surgey in this case an apple a day keeps the doctor away no this is his carrerand we are just fans that have no say in what a man does so let im do what he thinks will help him and/the team
“how does the team go about replacing beltran for the year”
Who’s panicking now?
They said 12 weeks, not 12 months. (not that I trust them, either)
I think the Yankees missed A-Rod for a bit last year, no?
I’d be more ticked off about Beltran making the decision on his own. That speaks volumes about Beltran’s feelings about the FO.
“i mean, how does the team go about replacing beltran for the year,”
Well according to Matt hes going to be out for the year…So there IS a reason to panic…
yes your right the yankees fell a little without arod but when he came back he energized that team until they were champions
Wow, It took them this long to do surgery? wtf…This is the LAST thing we need right now…Wow..this completely turns things around..:(
we cant afford to have murphy at 1B, we will need more power…man this sucks!
Now we need someone to replace Beltrans offense, I guess FMart can replace his defense but he will not replace beltrans defense…Times like this is when you really look hard at delgado, and possible trade situations..
sign laroche and trade for phillips.
Laroche yes; but don’t waste anyone to get Phillips. His road OPS is 700. He is horrible outside of GABP.
i dont think that phillips is in our miinds right now, laraoch should happen and we work from there theres 81 days until openning day if you do the math they said 8-12 weeks ill take 12.ok 12×7=84 thats only 3 games hes missed if hes ready to play by then
I just can’t believe this, We were looking at a good season…Now…this is just bad… :*(
i know we were but dont lose faith we can still catch the phillies heels with the team we have and are going to have by openning day
Speechless. It’s so hard to feel like you are moving forward when you are always taking two steps back.
looks like angel pagan just became our everyday cf for 2010. it sounds like his rehab will last until mid april and then need about another month to get in baseball shape.
not that this surprises me one bit. sounds like typical mets … either they have no clue as to whats going on with their players or they just hide it from the fans.
i’m sure they’ve known about this for a long time.
if that happens whos going to back him up F-mart hell no. sign ankiel and make pagan backup thats a smart move
12 weeks before resuming baseball activity? Assume that means getting in shape, and best case, you don’t see him until mid-may?
More worrisome is that he was feeling OK, but it flared up when he started working out. So, you have to plan for him never coming back, or at least, not lasting long.
couple of random thoughts:
1) No way they trade Pagan or F Mart now.
2) You can for sure speculate on how to spend 20mill after the 2011 season, since no chance Beltran gets a new contract from the Mets!
3) Delgdao time might just have become a greater possibility.
and I wonder, if they really do have to plan on him missing most of the year, do they use it as an excuse to circle the wagons, and go with youth for this year?
Nah, with Bay and Molina they can make due with Pagan in Center provided everyone stays healthy,atleast till the break anyway.
Not the best news but first of all, most of the people on the twitter circuit are saying 8-12 weeks, and some of them are saying he could be back by opening day, probably not the most probable but if it takes him three extra weeks, Pagan can fill in. Pagan is a CFer and he filled in well for us. I also heard that the Mets did know about it as did Altcheck so I’m not sure but Matt is freaking out a bit here
The problem IMO is that people are tweeting things and then not even saying what they know, matt earlier tweeting something may be happening and this will carroll tweet is just ridiculous to me, either wait till you can break the story or don’t say anything.
Again, things could be worse, not the way we wanted to start the new year but the season hasn’t even started yet, ST hasn’t started yet, let’s give it a few games before we all jump off the bridge
Kevin Burkhardt said on SNY that the team didn’t know and that this is going to be a big problem legally and contractually.
when the mets officials see the improvment of beltran they will forget he went behind there backs
This medical staff is unbelievable. Why would you not do this back in November? I get it: workout ramps up through the winter, but the trend here is too much to ignore. Whatever the contract is, whatever the Mets pay the training/medical staff, whatever it costs, I want out. This isn’t the end of the world; Beltran misses April. But it’s a bad omen. When the players don’t have faith in the medical advice they get, look out.
because it didn’t hurt in November, i.e. nothing to scope.
sounds like Beltran did it because he didn’t trust the Mets to be decisive about surgery and this gets him on the field the fastest.
I thought it was a lot of bad luck before, but now I agree w tw messner. This knee has hurt on and off for a while, if its structurally damaged, its structurally damaged. If there’s something to clean out of that knee its been there a while. This Dr. s*cks.
correct
I am all for signing Ankiel. He plays a decent CF and has some pop. Pagan remains the 4th OF for when Francour or Bay gets cancer and if that dosent happen when Beltran returns Ankiel becomes the LH bat off the bench. JUST KEEP HIM AWAY FROM OLLIE!! We dont need Ankiel giving Ollie any advice on how to avoid the strike zone anymore.
Pagan
Castillo
Reyes
Bay
Wright
Francoeur
Murphy
Molina
P
That could be the very lineup you see on opening day.
Possibly take out castillo and swap in hudson…if that happens of course
and reyes in the 3 spot just looks weird…eventho jerry tested it out in ST last year and it was an ok experiement
I don’t know where else he’d go but murphy could be swapped in for Luis on certain days maybe??
ugh this sucks
Swap Hudson in for Castillo and Laroche for Murphy.
Pagan
Reyes
Wright
Bay
Laroche
Francouer
Hudson
Molina
Or some permutation thereof and you’re still going to score some runs.
i think it should look more like:
hudson
reyes
wright
bay
laroach
f-core
ankiel
molina
P
it also balances the lefty righty thing
wow can we fire some of our medical stuff omg
Is thyere any Fa we can sign to hold down the fort till he gets back hoping he only misses the first two months.
RICK ANKIEL!!!
I think he would be good signing considering the circumstances.
ankeil is not a starter. If you aNt him for late innings or to platoon with Francouer then ok, but he can’t start for the season
so u would rather have Pagan starting and Jesus Feliciano as the 4th OF on the bench than sign Ankiel (who might be a nice addition in the Low risk / high reward catagory) in CF and Angel Pagan as the 4th OF on the bench?
The short answer is yes!
why not
I’m speechless, not the way 2010 should have started. The media should have a field day tomorrow, and considering it’s the Mets, it will continue for weeks.
Just spoke to Ankiel , said he’s willing to play center and accept a bench role once Beltran returns. But is aware Mets dont like to deal with Boras .
I just came on after putting my kids to sleep. What a surprise, and shocked. Never expected this to occur. I was hoping that their past injuries are behind and look forward to this season. Still, I got few question that pops up
1. As per Mike Francesca mentioned does Beltran has mistrust or problem with the team and the Medical staff that he opt to have the surgery with the team knowledge and by his personal doctor.
2. Does this in any way have any impact on his contract. I have to believe so.
3. Would the Mets panic to find temporary power hitter and not focus on pitcing like they did in 2006 with the taxi can accident.
I think I already know the response I’m gonna get on this BUT what about trying Jonny Damon in CF?
Damon
Castillo
Reyes
Bay
Wright
F-Core
Murphy ( if delgado comes he bats 4th Bay, DW, F-Core move down one)
Molina
P
No thanks!! Too expensive, too old and no longer a CFer. They are better off using that money for Adam LaRoche at 1B, sign Chavez as 4th OFer and let Pagan play in CF:
SS Reyes
CF Pagan
3B Wright
LF Bay
1B LaRoche
RF Francouer
2B Castillo
C Molina
LaRoche may have to accept a 1 year deal, worth around $7MM. Once Beltran returns around the All Star Break (Got to assume Mets doctors just can’t handle the situation):
SS Reyes
CF Beltran
3B Wright
LF Bay
1B LaRoche
RF Francouer
2B Castillo
C Molina
Can he cover the ground at Citi field I dont know plus Boras would squeze us dry. I like your first idea Rick Ankiel.
The answer is, not he can’t. Slim pickings for CF’ers. Ankiel is about it. Our only other option is to bring another OF and shuffle everyone else around. No sure if any one other than Pagan can cover the ground.
this sucks because all we are gonna hear tommorow is these annoying yankee fans bask in our sorrows about how screwed we are gonna be again and what a secong class organization. GO JETS
tell the yankee fans that Mickey Mantle was a drunk and a bad father
ZING!
How long until the Mets sign Edny Chavez to backup Angel Pagan??
John Heymans reporting 8 -12 weeks and that he will be recovered by opening day.
Aside from trades, who else is out there? The options are very slim.
Pagan will start in CF for the Mets this April.
alvino -
we finally beat the sixers in philly tonight!
sorry for the interruption
damon!
If Mets sign Ankiel I’ll see you all at the press conference.
Its not like the season starts tomorrow, hopefully he can get healthy quickly, better now then later.
God I love this team!! Only The Mets would, after last years disaster, not make any changes to their medical staff with the notable exceptions of adding an assistant and someone to do paperwork. I so wanted 2010 to be a new start, but here we go……
HOW CAN MLB NETWORK NOT EVEN MENTION THIS!?!?!?! NO THEY NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE 2009 YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are usually the slowest outlet,…lol they probably don’t even know yet!
So how is our centerfielder till he gets back Pagan he is clueless on the bases better get a FA.
but playing thru pain would mean he is not soft….perhaps a bit too injury prone tho
it could be worse he could have been in Hati yesterday (my prayers are with those people). but when i first heard of the Hati earthquake i thought wow God missed! most mets are in near by Dominican Republic
thank god my country wasnt impacted that hard by the earthquake, even though we are on the same island.
I sure hope F-Mart is close to ready
why hes not good yet
Time for Pagan to step up in spring training and show that he can handle the job. FMart should not be considered an option unless Pagan flops.
The 1030 update doesn’t sound good at all. If the Mets are talking about some form of action it is likely big money or just getting out of the contract. Either way it seems more like he’s out for the season than something minor. Seriously, if it was minor then why 12 weeks and why risk completely pissing off your star CF. And why wouldn’t they ok something minor? Sounds like they said no knowing he would get it so they could terminate the contract.
1010 update, sorry
Yeah I agree, it doesn’t make sense that they wouldn’t ok a simple knee scope. I know the team and Beltran/Boras were at odds last season of the possibility of Microfracture surgery, due to the possible implications of such a surgery. The good news is his contract is issured so the team like won’t be out any of his contract money, but I gotta believe they are going to get killed in ticket sales.
This is getting worse by the minute.
Whether it was right or wrong for Beltran to have the surgery, that’s a big bat out of the Mets lineup. I don’t think Beltran is going to come back fast because he has to rehab, play minor league games and DH before truly testing out his knee again in the outfield.
It’s a shame, we are seeing how injury prone Beltran is and being so important to this team and now going against teams wishes, something sounds wrong here. Can the players union get involved as well as Scott Boras?
The only way i could see Boras involved in this is so he can create a market for Ankiel and Damon, but even then i doubt he would have Beltran risk his contract
I’m more concerned with what are our options going to be. Bring up F-Mart? Give Angel Pagan the nod? Sign Rick Ankiel? This is depressing.
Take away all the shady stuff Beltran did, the fact remains this guy is never going to be fully healthy again. He’s got bad knees which don’t get better with age and he can’t be relied upon to be an everyday player at this point and there is no way they can give him an extention. Its too bad because he’s so good and its so rare to get a center fielder as skilled as Beltran, but they are going to have to seriously need to look for a replacement and fast.
I stubbed my toe reading this story…this damn team is contagious.
If thats all that happened to you reading this story, then you are in better shape than most of us!
ted berg was right. this is a gut punch.
i assume baseball and the mets are a big part of all our lives, otherwise we wouldn’t be on here.
but as much as this sucks, this is not 7.0 earthquake.
Mets need for Molina’s bat just increased … hope that leverage doesn’t turn into longer contract
Ahh, at worst more money for Molina, but in the end he reduced his demands because no other team in baseball would even sniff 3 years for Molina. I can’t see the Mets doing something that stupid even given this news.
Maybe for once the Mets can control this story.
Better now than during the season, when Beltran has a fair amount of offseason to begin his rehab and when there are a dozen guys that can be brought in to help address the roster situation.
I’m not blaming anyone. I’m not calling anyone names. All I’m saying is I’m tired of this. I suppose it’s just bad luck…that the first baseball game I ever went to was a Mets’ game 25 years ago. This is apparently just the cross we have to bear. I hate that this is happening again. I hate that we will have to hear about it like crazy in the news and be reminded of last year all over again. I can’t stand that Yankee fans will snicker and Phillies’ fans will laugh knowing that they’ve got the edge again. Grrrrrrr.
Why, why must this be happening already!?!? Can’t the Mets just get a better medical staff? Forget minor league signings, sign some medical experts!
I can’t even believe my eyes with this post.
YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS STUFF UP!
BARTENDER!,……..MAKE IT A DOUBLE!
This is the ghost of Shea, he’s very upset about how he has nothing to honor him in CitiField.
All jokes aside the real joke here is the Mets medical staff, FIRE them all have thier liscenses stripped from them! My God how bad of a doctor do you to be when a player from the team you’re supposed to take of says no way I have my own Doctor. As for some of you calling Beltran out for this imagine your company says oh no you dont need surgery to correct that you’re fine, only to get an outside opinion saying the opposite, when it comes to health you can never be too sure. I hope Carlos will be back in time but if it’s all of June no big deal, you don’t win the season in June.
No more bad news just bad news about the Stankees and Sillies from now on please…
This had more to do with the fact, that Beltran wanted this proceedure done as has for some time, the Mets didn’t want it so Beltran went elsewhere. It’s as simple as that,…….this is going to get ugly,…..rapidly!
I distinctly remember a report last summer that said Beltran would come back in 09 but most likely would require microfracture surgery and miss most or all of 2010.
Matt, do you recall this at all?
http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/30/news-beltran-could-miss-all-of-2010/
Thanks Santa!
Pagan will be fine starting for 2 weeks to a month.
What’s just as bad as the surgery is him doing it without the Mets ok.
I don’t think he’s soft but he certainly has no confidence in the Mets doctors. It may cause a serious problem between beltran and the mets/
Not that I blame him,but this is extreme. I can’t remember this happening before,where a player gets surgery w/o permission. Can anyone else ?
Tracy McGrady with the Houston Rockets (NBA) last season.
Ok lets move on, I think we should sign Ankiel, he would be a good pickup.
Unbelievable. You hire someone for hundreds of millions of dollars and you can’t even control what they do. This team needs to look in the mirror and start saying that the players need to listen to them and, if they don’t, they’re gone. Look at Larry Johnson, Adam Jones, and Braylon Edwards in the NFL.
It’s embarrassing to see a team spend so much on payroll and have so little control. I used to think Cashman was a wimp, but I’ve changed my view totally. Jeff and Omar have NO CLUE and this latest episode confirms it.
Ken Griffey JR, Part 2….Next thing you know were moving him to a RF to take pressure off his knees..
Ok i would like everyone opinion
1. Do you think Beltran will return in 2010 lets say by May 1st.
2. Do you think Mets should take this as serious as they seem like they are or should they just slap him on the hand and let it be.
Any way you slice it this organization ONCE AGAIN will have egg on it’s face.
Just one ugly train wreck after the next.
I must be a glutton for punishment.
I think I’m taking this year off, guys.
Whether or not Beltran is out for the year, after reading about potential lawsuits or grievances or whatnot his time with the team might be coming to an end. At this point if ownership wants to show us that they still have the stones to make big moves when big moves are needed then they need to call Tampa Bay tonight and give the farm away for Carl Crawford. I know he’s a left fielder but I’m sure an athlete like that can handle center. Tell tampa to take their pick of any 4 prospects, get Crawford in and sign him long term.
That would be a horrible idea
Why can’t this team do anything right? Every phase finds a way to be an embarrassment or a disaster. Or both.
Carlos Beltran, who has been a team leader and performed with distinction is now going to be the target of sanctions? Because he didn’t trust the medical staff that has done nothing but mismanage injuries for two years?
If I were Ryan Church, I would consider a lawsuit for damages to, at the time, a promising, if not all-star, career. Since the double head injury, he has been relegated to 4th OF for the Pirates.
More than anything else, it is garbage like this that makes it hard to be a Mets fan.
An FMart/Pagan platoon is not the worst in the world, but it really shallows out this team’s depth. They need to bring in more new blood here. Preferably, healthy blood.
If you are going to play F-mart, he has to play everyday, he’s going to have a hard enough time adjusting, a platoon situation would just make things worse. Jerry Manuel and platoon should never ever be mentioned in the same sentence period! That said, F-mart’s natural and coincidentally best position is CF so it could very well be him that gets the nod in CF. It also seems to make more sense to keep Pagan as the 4th outfielder as he is used to such a role and dare I say he excells at it.
I know I bash Omar a lot but now I actually feel bad for him. His plate was full enough this offseason, but now he has to deal with this. We can’t realistically expect him to replace our best player (at least I think he’s our best player). Not to mention it will only be harder to find a fill in now that teams know we are REALLY stuck between a rock and a hard place. This just sucks, there’s really no other way to describe it.
Looks like Molina’s demand just went back to three years and Delgado is going to ask for a bigger guaranteed money portion.
Now they know we need to sign more power. Bay may have replaced Delgado, but if Beltran is out, that power gap has returned. Not that either of these moves is wise, but this late in the game the Mets are more desperate and agents will know this.
Granted, that all depends if there is a likelihood Beltran misses significant time and not just April.
Look, No team in MLB would give Molina 3 years before today,……and that fact hasn’t changed. Yes I think Molina probably gets a couple million more per season now, but no way the Mets are going to give Molina 3 years, it aint happening!
Yea i dont think the length of the contract would be effected bc Beltran or not Molina didn’t get any younger, or lighter.
Let’s hope. And I didn’t mean so much because the Mets need him in three years, but because the Mets need him more now.
If anything, I bet this gets him his second year.
Ahh, the would have gone 2 to get it done to begin with, Mets were just waiting for Molina to come back to earth from the 3 year demands,
We aren’t that stuck, we got 2 guys the play CF very well defensively. Frankly, I doubt they do much of anything with the CF position. They could however upgrade 1st and 2nd base. We are already in better shape than last season when Beltran went down with Bay in the fold and Molina on the way. All things considered if it was going to happen (and considering the reports of his knees last season) it was bound to at some point, this is as good a time as any.
bayrut, you’re definitely right about this whole knee thing being an inevitability. I think you will be right about them not addressing CF per say and maybe just looking at 1B and 2B for some offensive help. Frankly what CF out there could replace beltran anyway?
There isn’t one currently available that could sniff a healthy Beltran. It sure would be nice if F-mart really showed something in ST!
Beltran is one of the best all around baseball players in the game. A true 5 tool player, that gets tossed around a lot but he is the definition of it. Like I said, this just sucks.
OH GOD! Please tell me this DOESN’T open the door for Johnny Damon!!!!!
I dont think so, the Mets are not going to just dish out a huge contract because of this. I’m sure Damon’s ears will perk up when he hears about this but the guy can not play CF and certainly not in citifield.
I hope so, but I could see him looking good to them on a one year deal if Beltran is really looking at a longer time out than what was released.
The truth of it is that we need a strong defensive outfielder to help out both Bay and our starting pitching staff. Maybe it now makes more sense the sign someone like Adam LaRoche to have power at first, and bring up F-Mart or stick with Pagan in center.
You can then package Murphy in a deal for a pitcher. Or you can bite the bullet and empty the farm for Adrian Gonzales. That would, of course, include Ike Davis.
Personally, I’d like them to stand pat on this one, unless they know that Beltran is more likely to be out longer than what is being reported.
I’d agree, Damon isn’t getting any younger and his arm would’nt be good enough in LF let alone CF. His defense would cost us more than his limited bat would provide.
I totally agree. Hopefully Omar recognizes this as well. He is just about the last player I want to see at Citi.
Sign Ankiel, Delgado, Molina.
Ankiel isn’t much more than a 4th outfielder, Pagan is better than him, and he would be a regular starter on alot of teams. F-mart, if he can stay healthy and get the stick going (which is ony a matter of time) is twice the player Ankiel is. Sadly, Delgado is a real possibilty now and Molina is all but signed.
What an absolute joke of an organization. I should go root for the Marlins or something.
Whoa! What is going on here? Has Mets management totally gone off the deep end on this one. It’s hard for me to say that Beltran went “off the reservation” to have surgery, but that is what it looks like. All I know is that now we don’t have Beltran (our 5 tool centerfielder) to start the season. Now we have to start it with the proverbial 4th outfielder (Pagan) or the unproven ubercommodity (Martinez) to start the season. The surgery was not with the Mets’ consent? You know, if
FMart can finally produce anywhere he is billed to do, I say shop the heck out of Beltran, and tell Boras to KISS OFF! Now he has jobbed us on two pieces of damaged goods.
I give up. Who is running this show anyway? BRING BACK DON HAHN!
All this and Mike Cameron is playing in the Bronx.
acctually hes playing in boston. Curtis Granderson is in the Bronx. Now that u metion it what would it take to get our hand on Brett Gardner?
sign corey sullivan for depth
No its time to finally give Jesus Feliciano a shot.
y couldn’t this hav happened a week earlier so Church could have been an option?
This is going to effect all pur dealings with free agents. Bing ripple effect everyone will try and hold us up now. What a mess !!!!!!!!!!!
There is a reason we got rid of Church remember?
yea because the Braves made a STOOOPID deal and if we picked up church it would be to have him as a 4th OF with pagan in CF
If nothing else it strenghtens Delegado’s negotiation with the Mets. I also think we need to bring in another FA outfielder
Why? Secondly Who? lol
Because i have seen Pagan run us out of two many innings. As to the who I dont know depends on how long Beltran would be out Colemans’s talking three to four months.
Honestly, if F-Mart is still in one piece when the Mets break camp, he will likely get the nod in CF. Also …….this just in,…MLBTR is reporting that the Mets are close to signing Bengie Molina.
Ed Coleman on Steve Somers show tonight thinks he’ll be out three months and that the Mets will go with Pagan in centerfield. Personally Pagan is one of the worst base runners I have ever seen totaly clueless on the base paths.
Yikes. This whole thing is a mess. It does seem like Beltran’s knees giving out was an inevitability but I suppose I always expected to hear it at a convenient time – as if there is such a thing. This is really inconvenient for the Mets, and I wonder what’s going to happen. I’m okay with Pagan in center, but does this mean we need to upgrade 1B? Or does it just mean that we’re going to be underdogs by an even greater margin, making it all more fun to watch? Hm.
This is how I rank the possible options both in house and FA:
1) Rick Ankiel
2) FMart (this may be his biggest chance to sign keep him with the MLB team all through ST and into the regular season so he dosent have the butterflies coming up from AAA)
3) Pagan
4) Jesus Feliciano (this guy has been very good in AAA)
5) play with 8 players and leave CF unmanned
6) Gary Cohen
7) Chad the Batboy
8) Johny Damon (on so much HGH he’s just shy of OD)
ha ha ha ha
Im defending the Mets here, Beltran is totally wrong here, he cant just do what he wants.
I agree. If he had done this back in late November / early December i doubt anyone would make that big a deal about it
Reyes and Church come to mind, as well as Minaya’s disregard for Santana’s elbow pain early last spring. Typical Met bush league. How can any player trust this team?
Ill live with Beltrans injury if Omar can go to work and get a good bat to replace him, you cant replace his abilities but I want someone very solid, Molina is pretty much signed, we need to get pop in CF and 1st base to make up for Beltrans production.
Anybody start crying yet?? Seriously, did anyone else’s eyes water?? Just a little bit?? Ok, maybe it wa sonly me. But this is terrible news. This hurts the team on the field (duh), in the clubhouse (it’s hard to have a valued voice whne you’re not on the field), and on the farm (F-Mart might now be on the opening day lineup, when he should be developing further in AAA).
I hope he’s back by May. I hope Pagan can hold it down until then. I hope Fernando explodes on to the scene. I hope…crap, I’m hoping for too much.
I would add in a little prayer along with the hope! lol Really, though it’s better it happen now than midseason. Thank God Bay signed before this news got out!
stop worrying pagan will hold up till beltran comes back. if anything F mart will step in
To me the two biggest issues here are, will Beltran will be back in 8-12 weeks and when he does come back will he be close to 100%??
I do not see the Mets bringing any other significant OF in. Pagan will probably get the nod in CF. F-Mart is not ready.
I don’t see how bringing Delgado back is a fix for Beltran being out. If anything I would want more of a sure thing now at 1B!
Not the best way to start 2010! Just way to many unknowns for this team with injury’s and performance. A lot will depend on how this roster is filled before opening day. We definitely need depth all around! Is Ownership willing to do what they have to? I don’t have a lot of faith that they will!
if it’s just a scope/cleaning,not to worry,didn’t Vinny Prospal of the NY Rangers have that and only miss a couple of games?oh wait,I forgot hockey and baseball players are two different breeds of athlete.
apparently we’re close to signing Molina…good news, right??
For me, it all depends on the contract; length and money.
I had such high expectations going into this 2010 season. I think that was my first mistake. Totally forgetting that I’m a fan of a dysfunctional organization, who’s medical staff has such a disconnect with it’s players and management. It’s gotten so bad that Carlos had to go to his personal doctor to get this procedure done himself. While I don’t agree with him doing it behind the Mets back, but can you seriously blame him? This staff has shown absolutely no consistency, and their constant occurrences of misdiagnosis proves that. This whole thing is like a soap opera. A never ending episodic drama, that has absolutely no conclusion. Being a Mets fan is just great.
Wow i wish the yankees signed this clown beltran, all he does is get injured, the only 2 things i remember about beltran is that he CRIED to the yankees that he would go there for less money, and him standing there in game 7 of the NLCS while the strikes just kept passing him by, im sick of fragile little players like him, bring me orlando hudson and guys who wanna be here, this guy is great yea, but when the hell is he ever on the field? he just doesnt want to be here…. neither does castillo, get these losers out of here and bring me some WINNERS that will be proud to wear a mets uniform!
Wow i wish the yankees signed this clown beltran, all he does is get injured, the only 2 things i remember about beltran is that he CRIED to the yankees that he would go there for less money, and him standing there in game 7 of the NLCS while the strikes just kept passing him by, im sick of fragile little players like him, bring me orlando hudson and guys who wanna be here, this guy is great yea, but when the hell is he ever on the field? he just doesnt want to be here…. neither does castillo, get these losers out of here and bring me some WINNERS that will be proud to wear a mets uniform!
pagan>fmart anyday
fernando martinez is a joke
I can’t help but think that Beltran lost confidence in the Mets medical prowess as the debacle of 2009 progressed from bad to worse. I’m not questioning Beltran’s heart, but something is clearly wrong between the front office, the medical staff, and the players. This has the potential to be serious. It’s incumbent upon the Mets to have the trust of their players. A player’s health is their primary concern. If Fred, Jeff or Omar blows out and ACL, then can still do their job. That type of injury could threaten the livelihood of a player. I’m not sure ownership is weighing that seriously enough in their communications with their players.
The other issue is the nature of Beltran’s injury. Osteoarthritis in athletes often occurs after meniscus has been removed from the knee. Meniscus is the natural cushion between the bones in the knee. The more meniscus that is missing means that bone is rubbing up against bone. This causes fluid build up and osteoarthritis in the joint. This is a deteriorating condition; it never gets better without surgery. Even then, future osteoarthritis returns more rapidly. How do I know this? I’ve had meniscus surgery on both knees from sports injuries performed by the orthopedic surgeon who treats all the athletes for the U.S. Naval Academy. Beltran may come back in April or May, but his future days as a center fielder are going to be cut short. In fact, he may be better off as a corner outfielder right now, or at least in 2011.
I don’t believe the Mets have many options for 2010. I suppose Omar can sign Johnny Damon, but Damon’s weak sister arm will be exposed even worse at Citifield. No, I think Pagan will have to start the season. Fernando Martinez has not yet provided evidence that he is ready for prime time. I don’t have a lot of confidence that spring training will turn that around. Hopefully, Beltran will return by May and Pagan will have held the fort down. If Jerry Manuel is smart he’ll rest Beltran at least once a week. This team will need Beltran’s bat, glove and leadership in September if they’re fighting for a playoff spot. 2011 may find Beltran in right field.
A complete mess. Just another fail by the management
Based on the Mets past track record on injuries, I would not be overly optomistic here. They are saying that Beltran “will be ready to resume baseball activities in 12 weeks”. Even assuming this is true, he is probably going to take at least several weeks of rehab and training until he is ready to return. That would leave us already into May. However, since the Mets are notoriously overly optomistic with almost every injury, I would think that this could be significantly worse. He really could be out till mid-season, or even more. Plus, there is no telling how healthy he will be when he comes back. Why this surgery was not done last year (or even right after the season in October) is beyond me.
The Mets chances were shaky with everyone coming back strong; I would now say thet they have taken a major step back. This could be the end of Jerry and Omar.
This is going to get really ugly. If the Mets claim this surgery was without their consent and damaged his playing ability for the remainder of his contract, they could have a case to get out of it. Bad news: no more Beltran. Good news: $17M more in payroll.
FMart actually makes sense if he’s healthy. He’s already on the 40 man roster and he needs regular ABs. I think using him as such would necessitate the signing of a power 1B. Doesn’t have to be Delgado. Garko would work well.
At the end of the day the only thing that matters is whether Carlos is healthy after 12 weeks. If he is- all will be well and no one will remember this in September especailly if the Mets are still in the hunt.
If he is out for the year or this lingers, it could affect our whole season and things (trades, signgings that could) be done now.
One indication will be how be how urgent things get(signings,trades) in the next few weeks. We shall see.
Man, i’m more worried about the contactual legality of this whole thing. Sounds like the Mets are contacting the players association about this. This is going to be a big distraction now. Mets are pissed, Beltran will be pissed thinking he did what’s best for him. I wonder if this will effect any more Free Agent signings. I mean who the hell is going to want to join the mets with all this crap that’s going on. I hope i’m wrong, but man we just can’t get a break as fans.
You know, isn’t this the same guy that said he’d be out the rest of ‘09 and all of ‘10? He could’ve gone to a doctor for a routine checkup and he’d be predicting career-ending surgery.
who?
no he said beltran would be back in ’09 and possibly miss most/all 2010 if he cant avoid microfracture surgeory http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/30/news-beltran-could-miss-all-of-2010/
carroll
How come Chase Utley was going to miss most of the season with that hip injury last season and was in the opening day lineup, yet Beltran will probably miss at least the first month of the first season and maybe a lot longer? Are the Mets that soft?
No, the Phillies actually have a competent medical staff. At least nobody was fired after 90% of the team got hurt last year.
beltran is softer than the pillsbury dough boy always has been, i love him but remember him running intothe wallin houston, whaaaaaaa!!!
cough (((((((((yes)))))))))) cough
except johan, pelf, francour and wright
everyone else should wear the mothers day pink everyday
Yup, no need to reevaluate that staff. Keep ‘em all.
how about him returning after that horrific collision with cameron in 05?
please tell me you are kidding
100%wrong, beltran is known around baseball for playing hurt all the time….this is a guy who has never been completely healthy with the mets and put up great numbers
come on man the guy isnt soft, he plays hurt all the time. besides, you don’t get a surgery like this unless you need it.
look im not saying hes a great player all im saying is hes soft. that mole on his face could kick his ass!
How is he soft, you probably couldn’t even walk around with the type of injuries these guys get, they have to play ball through a grinding season, these guys are not soft by any means.
look,like i said im not blaming him or saying he doesnt play hard,im saying hes soft…bangs a knee, breaks a nail…piazza would have played with one arm. This guys has a low tolerance for pain. You hear him at press conferences, i am very very hurt, blah blah
dont mistake my comments to mean he isnt invaluable and a great player, just saying i think hes soft. Not like these guys are football players. Those guys are tough. Thats all im saying!
I’m more concerned with what are our options going to be. Bring up F-Mart? Give Angel Pagan the nod? Sign Rick Ankiel? This is depressing.
lol. you really believe this dont you. you really believe that you know what carlos beltrans knees feel like. dont you. you really do. people never cease to amaze me.
and you also think that something about football players make them inherently tougher. this at least has some logic behind it. the fact that they get hit once a week for about 4 months? or the fact that their contracts aren’t guaranteed so they have to play regardless of whether they hurt their team?
the above comment is directed at metsulcer… oops
I dont want to see Pagan play as our everyday CF while beltrans down, fly balls would go right by him with his bad routes…I rather see F-Mart then Pagan in CF..
I think i have to agree. Do we try to bring inn another OF to create some OF depth? Put more priority on 1b?
Yea, I think best bet is we give Delgado a chance..We really need power from a different position which means 1b..As for CF I think best bet is letting F-Mart take that spot and see what he does..and just get a veteran 1b like Delgado and we should be fine..
Is Pagan the only possible CFer? Is there a way we hear the name Johnny Damon now? I think that getting a little more depth in the outfield, even a corner OFer like Jonny Gomes would be good.
I was luke warm on Delgado earlier today but in light of this new news, it might be a smart move. Use Murph’s as back up 1b/ OF. I am leaning towards F-Mart being given the chance to win CF. Pagan can be back up….do we sign Chavez as a bench OF for some late inning Defense?
Johnny Damon couldn’t play LF in Citi let alone CF especially at his price. If anything they’ll try to upgrade 1st and 2nd. There is noone on the market that is any better in CF than what we have in house.
Is CHavez going to be ready by ST?
I agre Johnny Damon is not the guy we need to bring in.