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Opinion: The Mets can Learn from the Jets

By Matthew Cerrone on Jan 25, 2010, 4:12 pm

Yes, I am also a New York Jets fan.  And, I realize, had their schedule been a bit different at the end of the regular season, the Jets could have been an 8–8 team, who missed the playoffs; as opposed to a 9–7 team, who made it to the AFC Championship game.

That said, in either scenario, Jets fans would have ended the year content, just as they are today, while feeling confident about the general direction of their favorite pro-football franchise.

I talk with people in the Mets organization on a regular basis, and to a person, I always hear essentially the same thing, which is, ‘We were so injured last season, and if every one returns, and if we win 90 games and get to the playoffs, all of sudden people won’t be so critical and all will be right for the Mets and Citi Field.’

This is true, no question.  The problem is, that’s a whole lot of ifs, and it doesn’t inspire confidence.

The Mets can learn from the Jets, who, regardless of whether they made the AFC Championship game, turned on a dime and immediately changed the attitude of their fans, who are notorious for being among the most pessimistic, paranoid fans in sports… and, if ever there was a team who needs to change the attitude of its fanbase, it’s the Mets.

This is not to say the Mets must replicate how the Jets went about things.  However, the Jets are proof that significant changes, from top to bottom, including an overall, on-field attitude and philosophy, all wrapped in an organic group of talent, can inspire fans and reignite interest.

For instance, in 1998, the Jets also made the AFC Championship game and lost.  However, Jets fans left that game with their heads in their hands, lamenting how the team blew it’s one chance for a Super Bowl, because we all knew it was occurring on borrowed time; since the coach, quarterback, running back and others were all aging mercenaries, who already had success on other teams.  This time around, though, it’s an organic product, with young talent and management, who we believe will only get better with time.  In fact, losing yesterday feels not like an ending, but the beginning of something new and exciting.

The most important thing the Jets did, though, was how clearly they identified a new philosophy, i.e., they repeatedly said they wanted to be a tough, aggressive, hard-nosed team, who would run the ball and be a top-rated defense, and then they found a coach who was consistent and believed in that mindset, and then acquired and drafted players to carry it out.  The fans were made very aware, early on, what the team wanted to be, and more or less every subsequent move from that point forward supported that goal.  And so, even when the team was struggling, Jets fans could unite knowing what was going on, and where their team was headed.  Obviously, eventually the Jets must win, otherwise fans will again tune out.  But, for now, the Jets have us right where they want us, believing and buying tickets.

The Mets, on the other hand, talk in vague terms.  I mean, shouldn’t every team want pitching, speed and defense… add hitting and catching and they just described baseball… the game… in it’s absolute basic form.  Instead, the Mets need to learn from the Jets, and create a more specific organizational philosophy, with values consistent with its talent, management, Ownership, minor leagues and ballpark, so that we, the fans, can be excited and confident in the direction they are heading, and so we too can believe again… and return to buying tickets.

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  1. ABNYC7
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #

    Mike Tannenenbaum>Omar Minaya
    Woody Johnson> The Wilpons

    • ABNYC7
      Jan 25, 2010, 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #

      Rex Ryan>Jerry Manuel

    • Hit The Weights Zeile
      Jan 25, 2010, 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #

      I’m not a Jets fan but that sums it up right there.

    • lcodraro
      Jan 25, 2010, 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #

      Damn! You stole my thunder.

  2. Ceetar
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #

    Except due to fate and circumstance, the story with the Jets very well could’ve been the small-game defense and how Sanchez takes too many crazy chances.

    The Jets could come out next year, go 8-7, need to win to get in, and lose their final game.

    The Mets sold a billion tickets in 2007, didn’t do any good did it?

    Football’s a different sport in terms of watching and going to games. But if the Jets start 0-3, all that’s gone. whereas if the Mets start 20-10, people will be flocking to Citi Field.

    Nothing they say or do is going to inspire anyone until 4/5. Barring something completely ridiculous like trading for Zack Grieke and Albert Pujols, the Mets will need to play games and win them before people come back. Once the summer roles around, if they’re winning, people will come, and continue to come.

    • Duke
      Jan 25, 2010, 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #

      We have short memories. A few weeks ago-when it appeared the Jets would not even sniff the playoffs, people were saying same old Jets remember? And the writers were stating Rex should just keep his mouth shut and play. Now the Mets should follow the Jets blueprint?

      If the Colts played their regulars during the season we would still be saying same old Jets.

      • jamie_
        Jan 25, 2010, 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #

        I don’t know, even if they’d finished at 8-8, this Jets fan (and others I know) would’ve been perfectly happy considering the future, the rookies, etc.

      • starz31
        Jan 25, 2010, 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #

        Not really though. B/c the plan all along was to grow this season. There was a rookie coach, a rookie QB, a new system and scheme…fans were aware of this. The writers are not a good example, they could care less, all they want is to rile up the readers for more page views. The SOJ mindset was not evident this season. The writers just tried to mold the season to fit SOJ. but most jets fans knew this season was all about growth.

        And the playoffs proved the Jets have a new identity. Rex Ryan was the same this week as he was in week 1 or in training camp. He never changed the way he did things.

        If the Jets lost in week 16, it would because they have a rookie coach, a rookie QB, a new system and scheme…nothing to do with Same Old Jets.

      • F.Calisi
        Jan 25, 2010, 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #

        But management is doing work for the Jets. They have been rebuilding the line with solid draft choices (fine, you can’t always do this in baseball) and bringing in the necessary FAs to fill in the gaps. They made some trades in the draft and for players and are trying to make a change. The Jets also made their coaching change.

        he same old Jets could have not took a gamble on Sanchez, used Clemens who we know can’t do anything, and allow Mangini to be his quiet self and carry out his bad Bellichik impersonation.

        I don’t see how the Mets managment has a similar, motivated gameplan at times. Everyone knows a couple of faces simply aren’t fitting with the team but nothing is done about it.

        • Ben Nevis
          Jan 25, 2010, 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #

          I’ve been a Jets fan since before they were the Jets–I saw them when they were the Titans, I saw the Jets play in the Polo Grounds, and at Shea (I also saw the Mets play at the Polo Grounds)–and this is the happiest, this is the proudest I’ve been as a Jets fan in a long, long, long, long time.

          And it wasn’t just how they finished the season. I was a believer in the preseason this year.

          Matt is right: the Jets established a new identity this year, and a new philosophy, and it all boils down to two words: Rex Ryan.

          Rex established the identity of this team in the preseason, and he made that identity a reality during the regular season, and the postseason:

          The number one D in the league.

          The number one rushing attack in the league.

          We also have the number one Corner in the league, and the best O line in the league.

          I’m a regular commenter over at thejetsblog, and even though we didn’t win the AFC Championship game, fans over there are pumped. And we’re pumped for a number of reasons:

          1. This team is very young.

          2. This team is very very good.

          3. We believe in the coaching staff.

          4. The players believe in the coaching staff. The players play their a$$ off for Rex.

          Simply put, it’s fun to be a Jets fan again!

          And this, even after our two biggest impact players went down mid-season: Leon Washington and Kris Jenkins.

          Now can the Mets do something like this? I’d love to see it. But the fact is coaches like Rex Ryan don’t come along very often, in any sport. In the fifty years I’ve been a Jet fan, Rex is my all-time favorite HC, including the Big Tuna (and he was a terrific HC).

          Over at thejetsblog, I remember posting this line more than once during the regular season:

          You gotta believe.

          And as Jets fans, we do.

        • Ben Nevis
          Jan 25, 2010, 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #

          I’ve been a Jets fan since before they were the Jets–I saw them when they were the Titans, I saw the Jets play in the Polo Grounds, and at Shea (I also saw the Mets play at the Polo Grounds)–and this is the happiest, this is the proudest I’ve been as a Jets fan in a long, long, long, long time.

          And it wasn’t just how they finished the season. I was a believer in the preseason this year.

          Matt is right: the Jets established a new identity this year, and a new philosophy, and it all boils down to two words: Rex Ryan.

          Rex established the identity of this team in the preseason, and he made that identity a reality during the regular season, and the postseason:

          The number one D in the league.

          The number one rushing attack in the league.

          We also have the number one Corner in the league, and the best O line in the league.

          I’m a regular commenter over at thejetsblog, and even though we didn’t win the AFC Championship game, fans over there are pumped. And we’re pumped for a number of reasons:

          1. This team is very young.

          2. This team is very very good.

          3. We believe in the coaching staff.

          4. The players believe in the coaching staff. The players play their hearts out for Rex.

          Simply put, it’s fun to be a Jets fan again!

          And this, even after our two biggest impact players went down mid-season: Leon Washington and Kris Jenkins.

          Now can the Mets do something like this? I’d love to see it. But the fact is coaches like Rex Ryan don’t come along very often, in any sport. In the fifty years I’ve been a Jet fan, Rex is my all-time favorite HC, including the Big Tuna (and he was a terrific HC).

          Over at thejetsblog, I remember posting this line more than once during the regular season:

          You gotta believe.

          And as Jets fans, we do.

          • Ben Nevis
            Jan 25, 2010, 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #

            Sorry for the multiple posting. My original post washed up Comment Moderation Island. Tried again, but that post was banished to moderation as well.

            Then, mysteriously, both posts appeared here.

      • RUnutstoo
        Jan 26, 2010, 10:39 am at 10:39 am #

        First of Duke, the Mets and Jets are headed in 2 completely different directions. The Jets are built on youth, have a good coach and front office and a good owner. The situation the Mets are in reminds me of the year Phillips got fired. We brought in some high priced talent, it didn’t work and it’s time to fire everyone. Problem is, the Wilpons have no clue what they are doing. They need to hire the right people up top or it all goes to the dogs…

        As for the Jets, I never said same ole Jets, even Sunday. I figured them for a rebuilding year and at best would be 6-10. 9-7 is a huge present for their fans. They will have Green, Washington and Ferguson back next year and hopefully get some help for Revis and they are going to be a good football team for the forseeable future. I don’t think Rex needs to shut his mouth, I think it instills a much needed swagger and attitude adjustment in the team and it worked, they got to the AFC Championship game. And for the record, the Jets could have won that game 16 match up against the COlts with Peyton in there. It was a one score game at the time and the Jets tend to tire out defenses with their rushing game…we’ll never know…..but comparing these 2 teams is apples and oranges.
        The Wilpons should have cleaned house last year. Hired talented people in the front office and taken out a full page add in the papers saying that 2010 is going to be a rebuilding year and we will be contenders in 2011. They could have moved Reyes and Beltran at the deadline this year and perhaps added Crawford midyear if TB has to trade him and they could be a young team headed into a strong FA year with loads of money to spend….Instead we got Jason Bay, Kelvim Escobar and a few other no names I can’t remember and still have Omar….until about end of May when we will be so bad he will have to go…

        That’s my opinion..

        • RUnutstoo
          Jan 26, 2010, 10:45 am at 10:45 am #

          Ferguson???? I meant Jenkins….I have a mental block with that…and I’m not even a Cubs fan…LOL

  3. Beltranmynewfavmet
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #

    Football is completely different than baseball. Attitude, heart, and the head coach of a football team are all MUCH more important on the gridiron than they are on a baseball field.

    What this team needs is a complete overhaul of the way we develop players but unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be coming.

    • jamie_
      Jan 25, 2010, 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #

      that’s pretty much what I was going to say. I appreciate the flavor of Matt’s post, but the two sports are so different in how orginizational philsophy directly translates on the field of play. Baseball is much more individual, and the manager doesn’t at all equal a head coach.

      • starz31
        Jan 25, 2010, 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #

        I think you’re taking it too literal though. What Matt’s trying to say is that the Jets decided on a plan. And they are carrying out that plan. But they never shied away from that. Even in a big PSL-year, the Jets, while saying they were going to contend, portrayed to the fans they were rebuilding…finally. Fans new they were rebuilding. And that there could be plenty of growing pains this season. They didn’t try to sugar coat anything.

        The Mets on the other hand, they had a plan in 2005. It starting clicking and was on the brink of success in 2006…then…it was patchwork. Lets patch this. Lets patch that. We got our ace, but didn’t fix the bullpen. We fixed the bullpen, but had no depth. We did all this in a 3 year span all the while never retooling at the younger levels for sustained success. And boom 2009 was a wake up call. Very thin at the top and we paid the price for it.

        • jamie_
          Jan 25, 2010, 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #

          I see your point. Stick to the plan, but don’t BS the fans.

          • starz31
            Jan 25, 2010, 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #

            right…which to be fair is difficult when your team tanked in two consecutive Septembers all on the heels of opening a brand new stadium. And our team wasn’t bad the last few years (i leave out 2009). We were good for stretches of the season, but there was no accountability when things went bad.

            It’s wierd, what the Mets have done. Because we did need an ace. And Omar got that. Our bullpen fell apart, we revamped it. But his plan was never really proactive. It was always reactive.
            Going into 2009, we did have a good team on paper. But we were thin. And it was like we didn’t have any contingency.

            Now 5 years into Omar’s “regime” where is the accountability?

  4. mark4212
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #

    Well not being a Jets fan and knowing many jets fans they aren’t as fickle as you might think. They are all actually blindly loyal and believe in the team. They might think things will go against them to a degree, but every jets fan i knew last year at 8-3 or whatever they were when they beat the titans, were printing their super bowl tickets. How many Farve jersey’s on the jets are there. How many Vilma Jersies, or Gholston jersies…. If anything the Jets Fans are more accepting of losing then the Mets fans.

    • dykstraw
      Jan 25, 2010, 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #

      haha, i have two of those three, and the one i don’t have is the one playing in the super bowl.

      jets’ ownership and management is committed to winning. mets’ ownership and management is committed to putting the least risky 85-winner on the field to maximize ticket sales.

  5. harrychiti
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm #

    good post.

    the mariners have essentially done exactly what you point out (as you’ve noted before), and they’ve gotten the whole league excited and taking notice. who knows? they might even get sheets.

    i like that rex ryan says he wants to make the organization one that players want to play for; i wish the mets would try to do the same.

    • chicothekid
      Jan 25, 2010, 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #

      Could not agree more. Obviously, the whole aura of NY is not drawing the players here, so the absolute best thing that they could do is to provide that atmosphere that every player wants to come here for. St. Louis doesn’t have much to offer that any other city can’t, but how many players out there DON’T want to play for the Cardinals? That’s the kind of organization they should be building, so that they don’t even have to overpay to get the cream to come here. The players should be begging to come here, and the whole NY thing should be that extra incentive that nobody else has. You want to be overpaid and look stupid in pinstripes? You know where to go. You want to get treated like a king and have the fans worship you in the greatest city in the league? You know where to go.
      But that means they have to run OP and Crapsickle now, so that we can start from scratch while we are officially at rock bottom. Clean house and start building your image the right way and good things will happen. And above all, start treating the players you do have, better. (That’s why you have to run OP and Crapsickle, as they deserve nothing more than to be treated like sh*t for the kind of garbage play they’ve shown the last few.) They don’t deserve to wear the uniform, so don’t let them tarnish it any longer. Make it a privilege.

      • ny2calimetfan
        Jan 26, 2010, 12:17 am at 12:17 am #

        Agreed!!!!!! It all starts from within…Clean house at top..something is not right there…total chaos…they are a laughing stock,,,this team needs a total makeover…they can’t get anything right, .”he needs surgery, he doesn’t need surgery, lets wait a little longer and see how it feels….let’s get a third opinion…i never gave him permision to have surgery…did u give him permission; no i thoght you gave him permission…no ithought he would get back to us b4 he did anything…LETS HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE,,,i like tony…adam rubin was lobbying for a job…jose has a pulled calf muscle…jose has a strain…jose should be back in two weeks…” DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THE BLEEP THEY’RE DOING OVER HERE???? HOW CAN YOU EXPECT THE FANS TO “BUY” INTO THIS ORGANIZATION?????

  6. Cactus
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #

    If the Colts play out the game in Week 15, or any of the other mediocre AFC teams on the bubble win that week, the enduring image from this season is a 10-7 home loss to the Falcons in what the coach thought was an elimination game. This year, the Mets won’t win a thing with this pitching staff. Maybe if the Marlins gave the Mets a similar gift in 07 and 08…

  7. kidfromqueens
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #

    As a Jets fan myself, I see what you’re saying here, but this sort of thing is just much easier in football becasue the turnover rate for players is so much higher. With a cap, no guaranteed contracts, much shorter playing careers, and a tenth as many games per season, it’s a much more volatile league from year to year. Most players are on teams on an almost year-to-year basis and are easy to jettison if under-performing and an improvement of only a few more wins per season can be the difference between finishing last in your division and making the playoffs. It’s just a very difficult parallel to make…..

    • kidfromqueens
      Jan 25, 2010, 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #

      Player development also makes this a much slower process- in the NFL, your draft class this year impacts your team’s performance next year. In baseball, it’s likely to be three or four years before you can even evaluate how good a given draft class is.

  8. steadyeddie
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #

    As a life long Mets and Jets fan
    I would like to comment.
    The Jets were a pure joy this year; watching a NEW coach and a NEW quarterback and a NEW running star finding their way!
    All of a sudden, they start to win and the wonderful feeling that winning brings.
    But the Mets offer same old managerment, same old crew;
    proven losers and crybabies.(lets sign Delgado and Tatis and get it over with!!!)
    That’s what I saw as the differnce.
    Thank you and good night!

  9. atrain311
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #

    This is how I feel about my favorite hockey team. I am a Pittsburgh Penguins fan and have been since the early 90s. Yes, I was essentially a youngster who hopped on the wagon when Lemieux came to Pittsburgh. It happened when I was taken to an Islanders game against the Penguins and I never looked back. I’ve even got a ten year old cat named Lemieux. But my point is, that organization has seen it all. They had their moment then nearly went bankrupt. I suffered through some really touch years, hung my head and hoped for the next year. Then, similar to the Jets, some young talent makes their way and things are looking very different. Whole-sale changes needed to be made and their GM, with the guidance of Mario made it happen. To get back to the point, when the Pens lost in the cup finals two years ago, it stunk, but I felt, like Matt made reference to, that it was a learning experience. And sure enough they got to beat the team that beat them and win the Cup. All summer I said the Pens were everything the Mets weren’t. They came back from blown leads during the year, they never gave up, injuries were opportunities for other guys to step up and the rest is history. The Mets loss to the Cardinals didn’t feel like a learning experience to springboard the team. It felt like an ending. Maybe that’s hindsight, but whatever. I wish the Mets could take a lesson from some of the winning formulas out there.

  10. Danjson
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #

    Excellent point Matt, and to a lesser degree…I think the Knicks have done something similar in that they have basically identified a plan, which for an impatient fan base, required a LOT of patience. The fans are fine with it (for the most part), because they understood that the team would suck for a season or two, but in the end it would be worth it, since with additional cap space, they are in position to bring a superstar to NY. Not to talk too much Knicks, but as a Knick fan myself, I at least know that on July 1st, when free agency begins, the new era begins as well.
    The Mets continue to baffle the fanbase with odd moves that do not fit with their “plan”. Instead of signing a John Lackey and maybe Orlando Hudson and another pitcher (marquis, perhaps?), they went the typical route: Look for the biggest bat (though he may have below avg defensive skills), throw money at him and stand by while the pitching market dries up. It’s very disconcerting that Omar has actually been quoted as saying that he’s ready to go to war with this staff if the season started today. Pitching wins. Everyone knows it. The Marlins, The Phillies, and even the Nationals are getting it. This team needs pitching NOW.

    • sherlockcollector
      Jan 25, 2010, 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #

      You’re exactly right. The Mets philosophy is to bring a big or even medium name in and say to the fans, See what we’re doing for you?!” It like they did with Pedro and for ahile he did infuse new spirit and hope but overall it was window dressing to bring in naive fans. NOTHING brings fans to the park like a winning competitive team. Guys that know the fundamentals, play hard, work together and are in every game. The FO will bring in the player(s) as need if an injury occurs. If I was the GM pitching would have been my top priority and if I saw that Lackey didn’t want to come here I would have tried to orchestrate a creative trade. But we’ve become such a laughing stock most players don’t want to come here. And is it really that difficult to handle a press conference or a troubling situation? Stop spending so much time covering your rear ends and trying to save face and do damage control and be proactive and truthful. Really most real fans are rational, knowledgable and understanding. Stop trying to cajole us with smoke and mirrors.

  11. mextache
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #

    The Mets are delusional if they think blaming injuries will turn the tide either on or off the field.

    News flash to management: Before last year’s abysmal season of injuries and embarassment…your 90 win team collapsed down the stretch. TWICE!

    The Same Old Jets may finally be buried…but it seems to be Typical Mets going on in Flushing.

  12. Dave in Spain
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #

    It´s always refreshing to hear the Mariners or RedSox talk about their team philosophy. It´s SO clear from their actions that everything is done according to a very well conceived and articulated plan, one that permeates their entire organization from rookie ball to the bigs. Quite a contrast from the disconnect between the Mets actions and their –often confusing– words.
    Still, much easier to make change quickly in football than in baseball.

    • lcodraro
      Jan 25, 2010, 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #

      You mean ripping your shirt off and challenging everyone on the team to a fight doesn’t constitute “a very well conceived and articulated plan”?

  13. MrMustSeeTv
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #

    Matt,

    It all boils down to a number of other points:

    (1) The Mets have a disfunctional organizational structure. The Jets don’. Johnson pays the bills, Tannenbaum makes the picks and signs the players (with input from the head coach) and Ryan implements the philosophy all three have agreed upon.

    The Mets have a manager that the front office does not exhibit much confidence in. They have a GM, who is a hard-worker and nice guy, but is clueless on the new baseball economy (i.e., don’t overspend on players like Castillo, Perez, etc.).

    (2) The Jets fans are on a high because their team exceeded expectations. Mets fans are the opposite because the Mets were expected to succeed and have failed to meet such goals.

    (3) The Jets have drafted and developed their core: Sanchez, Revis, Harris, Greene, Mangold and Ferguson. The Mets but for Wright and Reyes have hired mercenaries like Beltran, Bay, Castillo, K-Rod, etc.

    • Danjson
      Jan 25, 2010, 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #

      I agree with some of your points, but is hiring “mercenaries” really the worst thing? I mean, our best player is Santana and he’s a mercenary, while Beltran may be our best offensive player…Where exactly would we be without either of these guys? I know every team wants to be like the 96 Yankees, a team that’s core was almost fully comprised of farm prospects, but the fact is, we need smaller market teams to feed off of, and free agency to compete. Teams can win with brought-in talent or mercenaries, but they just have to be wise about where they spend their money. This team, which has the highest payroll in the National League does not know how to disperse their money and they do not have the farm system to support their spending inadequacies.

      • chicothekid
        Jan 25, 2010, 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #

        I think the point is that we are okay supplementing the team with mercenaries, not like the Marlins, but an actual supplementing of the team. With that said though, he, and I in fact, were both hoping that there would have been some more home grown talent on the team at this point in time, besides Wright and Reyes, to carry the team deeply into the playoffs. The reason for this is obviously twofold:
        1) They are the guys we talk about all the time. We see them in the minor leagues and want them to progress.
        2) They are cheap for several years. This keeps the payroll down and allows us to supplement them with the mercenaries and fill out the roster to create a very powerful rotation and lineup.

        The problem: this isn’t happening. Omar has been so focused on the has-beens, that he’s lost sight of the farm, and we don’t have any more legitimate help from inside. How long has it been since Wright and Reyes were called up? Nobody else has managed to stick, not even close, because the Mets have botched it time and again for one reason or another, and they keep trying to buy their way out of it with more mercenaries. The problem with that is, unless you are the Yankees with the unlimited payroll, it’s very difficult to stock your entire 25-man roster with nothing but mercenaries. They seem to make a good go of it, but most teams, including the Mets, would not be able to pull that off. Personally, I would not want to see them try, as that is the number one reason I can’t stand the Skanks anyway. I have no interest in seeing them turn into Skanks 2.0 and would have to abandon ship, regrettably, if they did.

        The Mets have the definite advantage over the vast majority of MLB teams, because they can afford to use fewer of their own farm hands, and more mercenaries, because they can have a larger payroll, as they are in NYC. And what have they done with that advantage? Not a damn thing. The last time they won anything was in 1986 when FA and payroll were an entirely different beast altogether.

        They have no one to blame but themselves. The rules are in place and actually favor them, and they STILL can’t win. How inept must they really be then? The system is stacked in their favor and they still can’t win. It’s pathetic. They are the idiot who is dealt the killer hand, doesn’t even know how to play, then bungles it and loses every penny. And the only thing that is more nerve racking than watching him screw up the hand, is that you have money bet on him to win! It’s rough being a Mets fan.

      • chicothekid
        Jan 25, 2010, 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #

        I think the point is that we are okay supplementing the team with mercenaries, not like the Marlins, but an actual supplementing of the team. With that said though, he, and I in fact, were both hoping that there would have been some more home grown talent on the team at this point in time, besides Wright and Reyes, to carry the team deeply into the playoffs. The reason for this is obviously twofold:
        1) They are the guys we talk about all the time. We see them in the minor leagues and want them to progress.
        2) They are cheap for several years. This keeps the payroll down and allows us to supplement them with the mercenaries and fill out the roster to create a very powerful rotation and lineup.

        The problem: this isn’t happening. Omar has been so focused on the has-beens, that he’s lost sight of the farm, and we don’t have any more legitimate help from inside. How long has it been since Wright and Reyes were called up? Nobody else has managed to stick, not even close, because the Mets have botched it time and again for one reason or another, and they keep trying to buy their way out of it with more mercenaries. The problem with that is, unless you are the Yankees with the unlimited payroll, it’s very difficult to stock your entire 25-man roster with nothing but mercenaries. They seem to make a good go of it, but most teams, including the Mets, would not be able to pull that off. Personally, I would not want to see them try, as that is the number one reason I can’t stand the Skanks anyway. I have no interest in seeing the Mets turn into Skanks 2.0 and would have to abandon ship, regrettably, if they did.

        The Mets have the definite advantage over the vast majority of MLB teams, because they can afford to use fewer of their own farm hands, and more mercenaries, because they can have a larger payroll, as they are in NYC. And what have they done with that advantage? Not a d**n thing. The last time they won anything was in 1986 when FA and payroll were an entirely different beast altogether.

        They have no one to blame but themselves. The rules are in place and actually favor them, and they STILL can’t win. How inept must they really be then? The system is stacked in their favor and they still can’t win. It’s pathetic. They are the moron who is dealt the killer hand, doesn’t even know how to play, then bungles it and loses every penny. And the only thing that is more nerve racking than watching him screw up the hand, is that you have money bet on him to win! It’s rough being a Mets fan.

  14. DAK442
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #

    I hope the Jets make out better than we did in the same circumstance after 2006. “Hey, we almost made it – we’ll be back next year!”

  15. dreamer3kx
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #

    Jets did go 7-7 in real games, just sayin.

    • MrMustSeeTv
      Jan 25, 2010, 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #

      Hmmm, I guess you’re not counting those last two games wins when they whupped on the Bengals again.

      Who cares how they got in? Those teams that are complaining should have handled their business. One more win and they would have gotten in the dance.

  16. mark4212
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #

    Gotta love the jets fans…. A mere 5 weeks ago it was SAME OLE JETS!!!!! Now they are the model franchise….

    Gotta love it.

    • foul bunt strikeout
      Jan 25, 2010, 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #

      yea b/c matt cerrone is the voice of this new jet generation.

    • Old Backstop
      Jan 25, 2010, 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #

      I tend to agree, and that was my point below. I think perception is often half the battle. The Mets as an organization aren’t as bad as most Mets fan perceive right now, and vice versa for the Jets.

  17. barrylyons
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #

    Matt,

    You say the Mets are vague and say “shouldn’t every team want pitching, speed and defense?”….. but doesnt that same go for what your are saying about the Jets?

    Wouldn’t every NFL team want strive for tough, aggressive, hard-nosed football, who would run the ball and be a top-rated defense”. Hey add in offense and you just described football “… the game… in it’s absolute basic form” as you put it.

    Can you please explain how what the Jets said is any more specific that what the Mets say? Both sound like vague nonsense to me.

    • sherlockcollector
      Jan 25, 2010, 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #

      Didn’t the Jets become tougher, more aggresive and hard-nosed while the Mets have not gotten faster, nor have they improved their defense or pitching.

    • dykstraw
      Jan 25, 2010, 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #

      “speed and defense” really means “we’re too cheap to get the best hitters” and frankly they’re not sticking to that anyway

  18. ItalPiazza31
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #

    Problem is that ownership cares too much what the fans and public think. If they just went about their business and made moves based on what will help them win rather than what will sell tickets that’s when the fans will rally around the team.

    Jet fans only rallied around this team once they got on their run. When they were 4-6 and 7-7 Jet fans weren’t really rallying around the team.

    • mark4212
      Jan 25, 2010, 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #

      No, against atlanta when their defense let them down late in the game it was…

      SAME OLE JETS….

      There is a reason Craig Carton had to walk across the bridge… As we saw which is now indisputable, if peyton and the rest of the starters played that entire game, which they were leading when they left… This entire Post is MOOT and we are talking about an 8-8 team on the rise, not a 9-7 wild card team which made a run at the super bowl….

      • dykstraw
        Jan 25, 2010, 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #

        and if bill buckner caught a ground ball, like half of us grow up as yankee fans. what’s your point?

  19. Old Backstop
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #

    Very hard to make the comparison. The reason I say this is because in Football, the coach is 50% of why a team wins. In baseball, it’s more like 5%. The Jets went out and got a coach that was an extremist: The coach who leads the league in blitz percentage by a mile, and feels a swarming, smashmouth defense rules. On offense, he simply wants a simple, effective, ball-control team. This is all right out of the Bill Parcells school of football coaching.

    In baseball, the closest thing would be to go out and build a team that is loaded with pitching. A 7-man-deep rotation, a bullpen with a closer and another potential closer, and then a defense that could support it. Speed and offense would be secondary.

    But this mentality doesn’t really exist in baseball, also largely because there is no salary cap.

    So, what coach would you bring in with an extreme philosophy? I mean, if you ask any baseball manager, they will tell you they want strong/deep pitching, offense, defense, and speed :)

    The Jets were about 2 losses away from being considered “lost”. Had they gone 7-9 or worse, 6-10, people would be talking about how you can’t win with only defense, and how Sanchez was a bust, and how they had no running backs. In baseball, it’s the difference between 70 and 90 wins. In football, it’s about 2 or 3 wins that is the difference between being on the right track and being a flop according to perception of the fans and media.

    • mark4212
      Jan 25, 2010, 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #

      Exactly they had a few teams hand them Breaks, they then faced a beatable team which was their mirror image in the Bengals 2 times and had every break go their way.

      • Old Backstop
        Jan 25, 2010, 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #

        Interesting comparison (Jets and Bengals). I saw the Bengals as a team with a good QB, a mediocre offensive line, and a middle of the road defense.

        I saw the Jets as a team with a weak QB, a fantastic offensive line, and a very good defense.

        In many ways, very different.

        For me, the Ravens and the Jets were very similar teams

        I agree on the breaks though.

        • Hit The Weights Zeile
          Jan 25, 2010, 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #

          the ravens of last year maybe but this year their D was a shell of itself. the bengals were like a poor mans jets.

  20. JohantheMan
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #

    any real news?

  21. Prince Ollie
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #

    it’d be much more difficult for the mets to rebuild than the jets. The Jets 8 home games are going to sell out even if they only win 3 of them. if the mets are in the toilet in August citifield will be empty and SNY’s ratings will be way down. also, the jets don’t have to compete with “the greatest franchise in sports history”.

    and if the jets were so committed to their plan why did they ditch mangini, who was the guy who built the team and came up with the plan. i know rex ryan is a demi god in new york at the moment, but honestly, the strength of the team into the future will be it’s o-line and that was all mangini.

  22. dave27
    Jan 25, 2010, 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #

    I refuse to even read this nonsense – except to mention that if the 2009 Jets look alike anyone, it’s the 2006 Mets. Or maybe the 2001-02 Islanders. Or even the Mangini Jets in his first year.

    It’s easy to fall in love with a GM and a coach and an approach that yields immdiate, positive results. And change often yields just that. Let’s see them sustain it before we go making broad comparisons, because until then all that the Mets can learn from this Jets team is what can happen when you slip into the playoffs by the grace of the schedule maker and beat two opponents who forget how to kick field goals. To make the Jets into a “model” franchise is at best premature, at worst completely disingenuous.

    Consider that as of Week 6 this year the Giants – who have proven successes – were seen as a model organization and 3 months later even they appear to be far less stable than we thought.

    I’m glad all the Jets fans enjoyed their run – but come on.

  23. Mookie22
    Jan 25, 2010, 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #

    Well Matt, I’m not a Jets fan. Big Giants fan. And many of us are rather bitter with the underachievement this year of the Giants. And, I’m not certain until the Jets do something consistently for a few years straight, that this isn’t just a flash in the pan. We’ll see.

    But your point is well taken actually in one regard. The Mets do lack toughness. Even amongst their “leader” in David Wright who I love having on the team and am a big fan of, but they’re trying to turn him into something he isn’t, just because he’s good, and it’s convenient for the organization to do so.

    The ’86 Mets were very talented. No doubt about it. But, they won because of toughness and a refusal to lose. Add a healthy dose of arrogance to that equation, which can only come by winning a lot of games, and you have championship material.

    But, on that team, Wally Backman and Lenny Dykstra were dirty from head to toe by the third inning of every game, whether it was necessary or not. Meanwhile, Carlos Delgado won’t even slide on a bang bang play at the plate, and I can’t remember the last time he dove for a ground ball, even with a guy at second who would score if the ball gets out of the infield.

    Gary Carter played hurt from the 10th game of the season on. There were days where it looked like he could hardly walk, and he was still blocking the plate to get plowed over, and running hard on a routine ground out that he didn’t have a chance to beat out even if it was bobbled. How many games has Carlos Beltran missed due to a “contusion”? I mean, seriously.

    Daryl Strawberry would loaf it to first base on a routine ground out and be greeted in the dugout by a screaming angry Keith Hernandez. Jose Reyes loafs it to first and no one cares – including the manager.

    Johan is a leader. And he’s tough. But a pitcher can’t be that person.

    That’s what bothers me so much about bringing a guy like Matthews in. And they will probably resign Delgado.
    I’d personally rather watch a team with mediocre talent that hustles it’s way to 2nd place and an 85 win season, than a highly talented team that underachieves with 90 wins, and loses in the wild card round of the playoffs.

    I realize I’m in the vast minority on that one.

  24. MeetTheMatts.com
    Jan 25, 2010, 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #

    Hats off to the Jets. We could use a manager in the Rex Ryan mold – somebody that doesn’t always guard his comments.

    • dave27
      Jan 25, 2010, 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #

      I guarantee the Rex routine is going to wear thin REALLY quick around here.

      Remember, we all thought Willie Randolph was a breath of fresh air once too.

  25. thekid024
    Jan 25, 2010, 5:05 pm at 5:05 pm #

    Its a good comparison, Mets management and coaching are awful, they have some on field talent, with an over haul of coaching and management they could really turn things in the right direction.

    • Old Backstop
      Jan 25, 2010, 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #

      Ironically, as late as 2008, the Mets/Jets fans felt the exact inverse of how they feel now. Things can change quickly, in either direction, and often do.

  26. mpetr37349
    Jan 25, 2010, 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #

    Every team speaks of being a hard nosed team that runs the ball and plays tough defense. The only difference here is the success that the Jets had this year.
    The parallel with the Mets here can be drawn between yesterdays game and the end of the 2006 playoffs. Even though the Mets lost there was plenty to be excited about. There was a young nucleus that was only going to get better. There was the success of Maine and Ollie in the post season. There was optimism of Pedro and Duaner coming back next year. And, for what it’s worth, they did come back the following year and they dominated. Until September.
    I also have a hard time knocking the moves that were made in the years that followed. They picked up great pitchers in Santana and KRod. They could have used a power bat like Bay last year, but there has been a LOT of tough luck. I’m really getting tired of hearing that the Met’s failures are all Omars fault.He does have a plan. The Mets do play good defense, have some great pitching and some damn fast runners as well.

  27. dave27
    Jan 25, 2010, 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #

    And by the way, I’m not a fan of theirs, but the one organization in this area every other one can learn from is the Devils – they are the only team in this market that has acheived a sustained level of success through scouting, player development, a clear organizational chain of commend and a near-perfect record of decision-making. And of course, in comparison to the only other team with sustained success around here, they don’t sustain by throwing gobs of money at everything.

    The Giants are probably second on this scale – few others even rate.

  28. foul bunt strikeout
    Jan 25, 2010, 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #

    Did the jets not deserve their playoff spot? debatable.

    two teams tanked and they took advantage…not the noblest of wins but wins they were. and they get in the playoffs and make the most of their opportunity.

    Thats the difference here…Jets, for a change, took advantage of an opportunity and did the best they couldwith it.

    THATS what the mets need to learn from…not from how the jets run the organization b/c they’ve had a history of laughable drafts and no nothing coaches (as a honest jet fan these points are fact…not opinion).

    Getting an opportunity or second life and running with it:

    07 maine throws the game of his life while the phils lose making it a dead tie for 1st (after we choked the 7 game lead). Instead of knuckling up, we (glavine) stink up the joint and go out in embrassing fashion.

    08 – Joahn pitches the complete game 2 hitter the sat before the finale and brewers lose to make the WC a dead tie (after we blew the division lead and our guaranteed spot in the playoffs). The next day, the punk marlins shuts us down (except beltrans 2 run dinger), the bp lets us down again and we lose out on the WC spot.

    so the jets got very lucky in their playoff spot…at least they made the most of it.

    • dave27
      Jan 25, 2010, 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #

      So I think what you are saying is the Jets learned from the Phillies of 07-08?

  29. FriscoMETSFAN
    Jan 25, 2010, 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #

    MrMustSeeTv really nails it for me…tweaking a broken system is futile and plays upon the hopes of real Mets fans. we need to clean house from top down and embark on a clearly stated agenda for the future. adding a player here or there is fruitless. we don’t need a band aid-we need major surgery!

  30. lual
    Jan 25, 2010, 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #

    The colts are another example. Irsay lets Bill Polian – yes, the same guy who built the Bills teams of the 90s – run the team. It has to be 1 voice. I mean – even Jim Dolan finally got it right and hired Jack Walsh to be the voice. And, the Knicks are finally righting themselves – last night’s game notwithstanding.

  31. Hit The Weights Zeile
    Jan 25, 2010, 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #

    If you guys want to make football comparisons. Right now the Mets are the San Diego Chargers. Talent up and down the roster, owners who are happy just selling tickets, a GM who can’t seem to get them the pieces to get over the hump, and a coach who is clearly not the guy to get it done.

  32. since1964
    Jan 25, 2010, 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #

    Perfect timing Matt. I just finished watching the Mets beat the Astros in game 3 of the NLCS in 1986. Watching Backmann make his hustling head first slide into first base to avoid the tag from Glen Davis, seeing Dykstra hit the game winning home run to win it, driving in Backmann. That team, that organization had panache, a swagger, a confidence level that our current Mets organization still DOES NOT HAVE PERIOD The Jets now have it. We be milktoast.

  33. The Eephus
    Jan 25, 2010, 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #

    What are you all saying lol? Yes, that was an lol. The Mets should model themselves after one of the worst pro sports franchises ever? They should get a tubby, overly chatty manager who can’t back his mouth up when it matters? Good thing I am a Giant fan, and they are perenially contenders. If you want to make this connection, make it in terms of meaningful analysis, not this fuzzy idea of creating an atmoshphere built on smoke and mirrors. The Jets (much like the Giants , albeit in a cap league), have done some things well recently. Namely, they have NOT SETTLED in terms of personnel decisions. They see someone that they think is the right guy (Sanchez, Eli for the gmen, Jones, Antonio Pierce back in the day, etc.) and they aggressively pursue in order to draft or sign. IF this were the NFL, neither NY team would settle on Jon Garland. While unSexy Rexy may do it, COughlin will not try to blow smoke up the rear of the fans by saying this years Mets can win on pitching and speed and defense with the guys they have. Enough with the Jet analogy, it is an insult to the intelligence of the fans who know and smell a stinker of a team in the making. No chip on their shoulder, workshop on heart and grit, speedy “Citi Field” players, or consistent #4-5 starters will change the fact that the Mets are underwhelming talentwise. Get over it, and either vocalize the need to axe the front office, or watch MMA till next football season.

  34. Ben Nevis
    Jan 25, 2010, 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #

    I tried to post this comment earlier, but it washed up on Awaiting Moderation Island. So I’m trying again:

    I’ve been a Jets fan since before they were the Jets–I saw them when they were the Titans, I saw the Jets play in the Polo Grounds, and at Shea (I also saw the Mets play at the Polo Grounds)–and this is the happiest, this is the proudest I’ve been as a Jets fan in a long, long, long, long time.

    And it wasn’t just how they finished the season. I was a believer in the preseason this year.

    Matt is right: the Jets established a new identity this year, and a new philosophy, and it all boils down to two words: Rex Ryan.

    Rex established the identity of this team in the preseason, and he made that identity a reality during the regular season, and the postseason:

    The number one D in the league.

    The number one rushing attack in the league.

    I’m a regular commenter over at thejetsblog, and even though we didn’t win the AFC Championship game, fans over there are pumped. And we’re pumped for a number of reasons:

    1. This team is very young.

    2. This team is very very good.

    3. We believe in the coaching staff.

    4. The players believe in the coaching staff. The players play their hearts out for Rex.

    Simply put, it’s fun to be a Jets fan again!

    And this, even after our two biggest impact players went down mid-season: Leon Washington and Kris Jenkins.

    Over at thejetsblog, I remember posting this line more than once during the regular season:

    You gotta believe.

    And as Jets fans, we do.

    • dave27
      Jan 25, 2010, 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #

      I’m pretty sure there is a jetsblog around someplace where this post would be relevant.

      • Ben Nevis
        Jan 25, 2010, 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #

        hey dave-

        This thread is about how the Jets changed the culture of their team. (If you don’t believe me, scroll up and actually read the original post.)

        Now as for whether or not the Mets can do the same thing, well, I think it’s possible, but they need a leader who can establish an identity for this team. And can though go out and make that identity a reality.

        And leaders like that don’t come around very often.

        • dave27
          Jan 25, 2010, 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #

          I know what it’s about….you in turn posted a novel about why you are excited about the Jets.

          I understand your point, but it could have been alot more succinct and related to the Mets.

          And as I also posted above, you should probably be a little more cautious in annointing Rex Ryan a savior. Change usually yields good results. Look at the first-year records just in this town along authored by Mangini, Herm Edwards, Jim Fassel, Willie Randolph, Peter Laviolette…even Isiah took the Knicks back to the playoffs his first year. where are any of them now?

          Ryan established an identity that feeds into the inferiority and neuroses of Jets fans…lost of tough “we’re not the same old Jets” talk and empty boasting. In the end they lost didn’t they? I hope for Jets fans sake he is the real deal – you deserve it – but this could all go up in smoke real fast. Acts wear thin fast in this town, and like most of those guys above, the first year might be as far as you get.

          • Ben Nevis
            Jan 25, 2010, 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #

            dave-

            Mangini and Herm never did for the Jets what Rex did in one season: turn them into the number one D in the league, and the number one rushing attack in the league. (In fact, Mangini and Herm were AWFUL as HCs.)

            And, sure, the Jets lost the AFC Championship game, but nobody, nobody, nobody (except perhaps Rex) expected them to get that far. And they did it with a rookie QB and a rookie HC (not to mention a rookie RB).

            But most importantly–and I think this goes to Matt’s point–I’ve never seen players on the Jets play their hearts out for a coach, but they do so for Rex.

            And, well, it would be great if the Mets had a Manager that players wanted to play for, that players played their hearts out for.

            It was said after the 2007 season, and again after the 2008 season: the Mets don’t play with heart. Other than Santana, there isn’t a gamer on the squad.

            Well, the Jets are loaded up with gamers–Jim Leonhard had SCREWS put in his hand, and played that SAME WEEK; Ellis broke his hand, and played that SAME game and the following week.

            Seems to me the Mets could use a little dose of heart and nut sack like that.

  35. dave27
    Jan 25, 2010, 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #

    As posted above, I am definitely among those that think this analogy is completely disingenuous.

    The only thing I will agree that the Mets could learn from the Jets however is on how they quickly surmised that Mangini was not the answer and acted decisively. If the Wilpons owned the Jets, Mangini would still be there and would be there into next year. That’s about it.

    • Ben Nevis
      Jan 25, 2010, 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #

      Not sure how this analogy could be, as you put it, “disingenuous.” (Do you think Matt is insincere or calculating, or pretending to be naive?)

      But, yes, I do agree: if the Wilpons owned the Jets, the Penguin would still be the HC, Rex would never have been hired, we never would have traded up in the draft to get Sanchez or Shonn Greene, and when our two biggest impact players went down mid-season (Kris Jenkins& Leon Washington), the management would have mishandled their injuries and the information about those injuries, and the team would have collapsed.

  36. metskid96
    Jan 25, 2010, 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #

    Great post, and great point Matt. Omar really should just schedule a press conference and tell us what his plan is. Because really, we have no clue what he is doing until he signs someone.

    • dave27
      Jan 25, 2010, 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #

      Yes, he should tell us everything he wants to do, leverage with agents, relationships with his own players, and tampering be damned! How dare he think that fans aren’t entitled to a detailed map of everything he’s considering!

  37. fxcarden
    Jan 25, 2010, 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #

    Nicely done, Matt.

    The Jets captured a lot of people’s imagination, something the Mets haven’t done in a long time.