“The deal should become official within days,” says Adam Rubin in the Daily News.
In a report this morning for the New York Post, Mike Puma says acquiring Tatis would likely eliminate the possibility of Carlos Delgado returning next season.
Original Post at 7:15 pm:
Mike Puma of the New York Post says the Mets are close to re-signing Fernando Tatis.
According to Puma, GM Omar Minaya has told Tatis he would be used in a platoon with Daniel Murphy at first base.
…i just don’t like the idea of tatis in a platoon at first base with murphy…he was outstanding in 2008, and was fine last year despite the double plays, and i think he will be what is expected of him in 2010…and not that bringing back Carlos Delgado was tops on my list either, but this move, once again, questions ownership’s declaration they are seeking to build an organization around pitching and defense…
…i feel as though bringing in, say, Ryan Garko, is a more effective move towards obtaining power at a power position and getting younger at the same time…he can probably be had for less money than tatis and he is a more versatile player as he can play first base as well as the outfield which provides the depth which cerrone spoke about earlier…it would also bring in some new blood which i feel this club desperately needs right now…otherwise, i think the Mets should just roll the dice on murphy and see if he can hit lefties…
Puma says Tatis is seeking a contract similar to the $1.7 million deal he signed with the Mets last season, and the Rockies and Mariners have also expressed interest.
Last year, the 35 year old Tatis hit .282 with eight home runs and 48 RBI in 340 at bats, grounded into 13 double plays, and hit .278 in 133 at bats against left handed pitching.
With the Indians and Giants in 2009, the 29 year old Garko hit .268 with 13 home runs and 51 RBI in 118 games, he hit .308 in 117 at bats against left handed pitching, and earned $446,100.
Posted this on op thread:
“GM Omar Minaya contacted Tatis’ agent today, and indicated that he wants an answer soon.”
Why? is he afraid he’ll miss out on someone?
At least we can put those Delgado nightmares to bed.
Excellent post.
If Tatis turns his back on the Mets, then it is one of the lowest points in Mets history. Of all the players Omar threatens with wanting an answer ASAP, it is TATIS?
This makes absolutely no sense at all. If they had any interest in bringing him back, under any circumstances, for anything close to last year’s contract, they should have offered arbitration. The fact that they didn’t offer it meant one of two things: A) He was being paid too much money and wasn’t worth that much, so they didn’t want him back at that price or B) They didn’t want him back on the team at all, at any price, and were afraid that he would accept the offer and they would be forced to take him back.
Because they did not offer arbitration however, we can safely conclude that neither A nor B is true, and hence, this is yet another classic example that the Mets FO does not know what they are doing.
This is just plain stupid and makes no sense whatsoever. In addition to all of this, the Mets of all teams should know what happens when Tatis is forced to play too often. A little bit of Tatis every now and then is a good thing. Too much Tatis is a BAD thing. Just like salt. Don’t believe me? See last year’s numbers for Tatis, or try dumping the whole bottle on your next meal.
Perhaps they thought Delgado would be further along at this point and were really intending on signing him.
My thought, too. They had the inside track on Delgado, who, I think we all agree, would be far better than Tatis, if healthy. But Delgado’s a gimp, so Omar goes back to one of his trusty has-beens. What the hell–I say we go ahead and re-sign the Hernandez Brothers and Alou, while we’re at it. And what the hell, let’s get Felipe along with Moises. And the Alomars, too–Robbie and Sandy Sr.
If Delgado is a nightmare, then Tatis is a REALLY bad dream
Why are the Mets satisfied with the status quo?? This team needs some whole sale changes.
Uh, why?
Tatis will sign with the Padres too.
or the Twins
– that will make it : a double play!!
We can only hope!
how many bench guys will we have ????
world series 2010 here we come….
Print those playoff tickets now!!
Thank you Omar. The missing piece is finally in place. Now I clearly see your plan for the offseason…oh wait I take that back. Hopefully Tatis can also jump into the rotation from time to time.
LOL
Thank the Wilpons and their bass ackward way of managing a major league ballclub.
Good. Tatis has been a real trooper and has delivered more than was ever expected for the Mets. He deserves to be back.
agreed. i dont get why people say he is not versatile, he plays the outfield, 3B and 1B decently. He was solid at 1b last year and who can resist his occasional grand slams lol
I like tatis and thought he did a great job the last two years, and he will probably do a decent job this year. But, there might have been better or different options out there, maybe garko or we should have taken a chance on nady… Just something different I guess, but tatis will do fine
My friend who is a big Giants fan says Garko did nothing for them. Perhaps he is one dimensional. The problem with Tatis is he is not an everyday player. The Mets tried to play last season with a starting lineup of utility players…..they were all exposed.
The guy is solid. He has played more the past 2 years due to injury and has produced. His DP’s are over analyzed…Beltran hit in quite a few with less at bats…..
you are comparing Beltran to Tatis nice lol
No Im comparing to how many times Beltran GIDP with how many times Tatis did…but you never hear about it.
why do you think we dont hear about that ??
Beltran hit into 9 DP’s in 309 at bats. Tatis hit into 15 with 340 at bats. I thought he had a lot more AB’s so my bad…but still…
cause Beltran is an all around better ball player. I understand your point. But Tatis is nothing but a solid bench player who has played more than he should have the past 2 seasons. The guy is solid….and what are we gonna pay him? Less than 2 million.
there you go you explained your self thats all i wanted you to do. and i do agree with you he is a solid pick up for 2 mil
and althou i’m ok with tatis i still like Cris Carter
I agree with you but if the mets pay Tatis 2 mil Omar should be fire on the spot, he’s worth a minor league contract!!!!!
It’s not just Tatis’ double plays, although they are not overanalyzed, it’s that he’s not very good at anything.
I don’t mind Tatis on the bench, but not as a straight platoon with Murphy at 1st.. I say give Murph a shot against lefties, I think the guy can hit.
I agree, give Murphy some time as the full time 1B, if it doesn’t workout then start using tatis against lefties…but until then let Murphy play… I have been saying that if given the chance, Murphy can bat .275-.300, 15-20 HR, 70-85 RBI, and 40 doubles, plus he plays a better first than tatis… Murphy’s defense has improved there
Hey, the Wilpons found another ‘coupon!’
hahahahaha
Despite the DPs he’s a great guy and it fortifies the bench – however, nothing to get excited about- he can’t pitch.
Exactly!!
I hate the Mets for this.
“[Garko] is a more versatile player as he can play first base as well as the outfield which provides the depth which Matt spoke about earlier”
well, i would rather have garko than tatis as well, but tatis played the majority of his games in left field for us so u cant really say that michael baron
Chris Carter can play both as well at a fraction of the cost. So, can Nick Evans.
I just don’t get it.
Carter can play DH and is a lefty. He’s not a 1Bman or an OF. He’s also not really that good. He is AAAA player.
Manual wont play Evans so the point is moot.
Tatis can play 3B
Evans had HORRIBLE numbers in Winter Ball. I think the kid is done.
Especially considering the basis of this versitility comment is based on 12 games in the OF.
Wrong.. 41 games at 1B. 28 in OF. 27 in 3B. He played every position but catcher and CF. 1 error at 1B and 3 all year. Does Baron really think it is that easy to play practically EVERY position? He might not be a whiz.. but good enough to spot start wherever you need him.
Another ‘sublime’ signing!
Does anyone here think that Omar is acting in the best interest of the team??
At this point I have to believe that either Omar cares nothing about the team or is hoping to pull an Isiah and create the worst possible team in an attempt to tell the Wilpons to eat it.
I get the feeling that Omars hand were taken of the wheel of this organization long before the off-season even started. This is GM by committee, and this is exactly what many feared it would do to this organization when they first implemented it late last season,…….make them slower to react in negotiations to the point that they actually miss out on the players they want and end up with the scraps,………I hate being right sometimes………ugh!
Tatis is a waste of SPACE
Bet they’ll give him a guaranteed roster spot, too – to ‘sweeten’ the deal.
And, what do you think – a two yr contract or three?!
I was ok with this until I read P L A T O O N — ???!!!!!!
He’s a BENCH PLAYER – THAT’S IT!!!
Expect about 125 PA against LHP.
Murphy is less than .700 OPS against LHP and never hit them in the minors. Tatis is north of .850 against lefties. Umm, care to rethink you position based on this “new” information?
Sad to think it’s come to this! lol
True dat
You’ve heard of “same old Jets”,…….welcome to “Same old Mets” I mean if they stay healthy they won’t be half bad, but I would have liked to have seen some sort of Roster shake-up. Oh well, atleast the equiptment mananger won’t have to worry about changing too many lockers this season! lol
Tatis is absolutely worthless. I know you need a guy to start at Third 3-5 times and at first 3-5 times, but Tatis is not it. Especially not in a platoon. Tatis plays no defensive position well, besides being sure-handed so he doesn’t make errors by dropping balls. It took him 4 months to realize something that Keith Hernandez told us for months about what was wrong with his swing..
I mean, sure, if you’re using him strictly as a guy off the bench to pinch hit in the 7th for the pitcher, it’s not a big deal, but anything else would be just stupid.
IMO, it is a big deal as we have both Carter & Evans that’ll both outperform him.
garko for less???? i would go that route,new blood as he put it ,,,,,this team can sure use a change somewhere besides bay,,,,,, i think tatis would do great in colorodo,, would hit some homers there,,, and i agree with lettin murph hit lefties we need to see what he can do on a full time bases so we know what we got,,,,,,to many questions around murph would like to see something answered this year
Boy, the FO sure knows how to ‘push our buttons,’ don’t they?!
I’d rather Garko, but I don’t hate Tatis, he hustles and gives absolutely everything he has. I’d prefer Garko b/c he’s younger and at least would be someone NEW to the club rather then keep resigning the same players that made last season terrible.
And, it has to make their other players, eg, Evans & Carter, feel ‘special!’
Carter is useless. Give it a rest. He is nowhere near a prospect. Four years at AAA in two organizations has got to tell you something if you take the time to actually think about it. His production has decreased over the past 4 years. At the “height” of his “value” he was traded for a then washed up Wille Mo Pena. He can’t play 1B which us why he was moved to LF. Plus he’ll be 27 this year.
Evans isn’t as good as Tatis.
Tatis has had WARs of 1.5 and 1.6 in the past two years. Garmo, even with more playing time, had 0.5 and 0.6. And Murphy’s WAR last year was 0.6 in 155 games.
So if Tatis is bad then what are Garko and Murphy?
this improves pitching, speed and defense, how?
All the holes this team has and they are focused on signing Tatis. Maybe he can pitch. Classic.
also if by chance murph falls on his face garko is a guy i wouldent mind taken over,nick evans just didnt look comfortable at this leavel last year and carter who knows if hes ready garko knows firstbase, and before last year was considered a up and comming talent,he had a bad year last year and could preform better this year,,,,we do base a lot of our season on could be’s,so why not garko hes younger then tatis got a more upside,we know exacly what were getting with tatis so who knows
Do you remember how Evans started the year for the Mets? With a Grand Slam! Not saying that that’s what we can expect from him always, but he’s shown promise. Not sure what his ‘funk’ was afterward, but i see potential in the guy.
Was reading about Carter earlier – how he filled in, admirably, for an injured player with Boston (in fact, he even got a ‘standing ovation’ from their fans), but they didn’t have room for him. They traded him to the Mets last season, but we didn’t get to see him because of the Yankees ‘posturing’ with Boston – some kind of ‘waiver’ BS. Unfortunately, he was caught in the middle and lost out on some possible playing time with the Mets.
I’d take either of these guys over Tatis.
When did Evans hit a grand slam?
Carter has played 12 games over two years. Exactly whom did he fill in for? Shouldn’t take long, after all you just read it.
Sorry, i’ve been ‘jumping’ around in this thread – and just saw your prior comments.
You seem to be pretty knowledgeable and opinionated and i appreciate your input. Thanks for the ‘education.’
I remember Evans hitting a GS in the beginning of the season. (Though it’s possible it could’ve been preseason)
Re Carter, thanks for your facts/insights. I was reading an article written by Adam Rubin. Not sure who it said that he filled in for – just that he had some success.
BTW, your sarcasm is not appreciated – and is ‘unbecoming’ of you, i’m sure.
First, sorry for the sarcasim.
I looked up Carter’s game log and found what Rubin was probably talking about. On 6/5/08 Coco Crisp was pulled after his first AB. Carter pinch ran for him and finished the game in LF. He was 2 for 3. Crisp was back the next game and Carter didn’t play again until September. It sounds like Rubin blew it
out of proportion.
I remember Evans hitting a HR in one of his first games last year. I always liked Evans and thought the way they brought Sheffield in at the last moment messed with his head. I was mortified by the way he was handled when it was painfully obvious the season was over. That and the way they handled Thole was reason enough for Omar and Jerry to be run out of town.
First of all, thanks for the apology – it speaks ‘volumes.’
Wow, you’re pretty thorough! Is your work baseball-related? If not, perhaps you should consider a career in it.
Yeah, i’m with you re the handling of Evans – that must be how you deduced Manuel didn’t care for him.
Thole, too – and let’s not forget about their handling of Fmart. That just about killed his trade value, to boot.
as far as pitching omar is stuck on stupid,there nothing left unless he pulls a trade outta his sleave,,,,i dont see us going into this season with anything better then what we allready have
besides Jason Bay, because we had absolutely no power last year besides Daniel Murphy. LOL
Yeah, and it’s not like Bay is the biggest power hitter ever. I mean he’s solid, but where are we going to make gains elsewhere in the lineup? Oh man, I want to cry.
I agree that it looks like our rotation as it stands now is what we probably go into the season with. We can’t win with this rotation. It’s not like our lineup is out of this world. We have 3 positions where we will be severely lacking in C, 1B, 2B and questionable production from RF. Not to mention Beltran won’t be with us to start the season and Reyes and Wright have huge comebacks to make. Yikes…
It said that the Rockies and Mariners were interested – hopefully they’ll sign him before the Mets do.
I dont agree, but does anyone think our lineup does not have enough power? I want to make a point about the power in our lineup
well, considering the team isn’t built around pitching, speed or defense, i’d say there is a power shortage.
I’m curious as to what the odds in Vegas are whether or not the Mets sign him?
so i guess that means with the exception of jason bay we have the exact same team we had last year that lost 92 games.
nice job omar/fred/jeff
No.. With a healthy Reyes and hopefully Beltran.. Wright back to form.. That is not the same team.
well we already know beltran isn’t healthy … he’ll probably miss the first 2 months of the season and it’s anybodies guess as to what he’ll be if and when he comes back.
More of this “hoping.” I’m not a pessimist by nature, but good Lord, after a year of setbacks with Reyes, I’ll believe he’s healthy when I see him out there playing a full month at full strength in April. Until then, I think this franchise is more or less comatose. Just think about it. The people running/owning this team are supposed to be professionals, right, as opposed to people like you and I who just dip in and like to think we could run a major league team. And WHAT have they done, except perhaps sign Kelvim Escobar, that is any more than the average eighth grade Mets fan would have done this winter? Sign Jason Bay? Yes, that was a good move, but one that hardly required any special insight or strategy, given that we were last or near last in homers last year, and we desperately needed to replace Delgado’s lost production. Other than that, this is a franchise in stasis. Paralysis. Why do they even need a GM, if this winter is what they come up with?
Were they setbacks though? Or was the plan really to let him rehab for as long as possible and just make the fans think he was going to come back so that they’d continue to attend games?
I’m with you on the state of the organization though. Although I think it has nothing to do with Omar, and everything to do with Jeffy.
Sign Delgado too. Lets just try a do-over for 2009.
I love a mulligan.
Can’t do worse right?
Gotta admit it’d be tough to do!
Good grief – please don’t ask that!
i dont agree with the lack of prodution at all those positions,,,,i feel murph gonna be ok at first ,castill can hit around 300 streal 20 bases again and walk 70 times thats all good for that position,i feel were week at catcher but i think francore is fine he looked like he was his old self again when the mets got him change of place can do that,im not saying im lookin for 30 homers out of him but i think he will be ok,we r week in cf untill beltran gets back but we have a strong lf a good ss a all star 3rd not to shabby
wonder if the Rockies or M’s would offer him more playing time…
i seem to remember hearing that Tatis can also play catcher. OH NO.
yes we have the same team but are hole team was not playing last year,and the same goes for the start of this year since beltran is down and i belive cora is down for who knows how long day to day with the mets means all season,,but other then beltran we should have the hole team this year hope it makes a diffrence well see
Have the Mets even considered or contacted Garko? Thats is the question. Maybe Omar called him and Garko never returned his call…Can’t imagine why. This is insanity. The answer to platoon with Murphy is Tatis…really. I would rather see Murphy against a lefty than Tatis or get Garko. Or does he not fit the quota of 35 plus years old and declining.
Baron made in excellent point in calling for “new blood”. The sight of this team and all its smaller parts only remind us of the disasters of the last few years. Tatis is a *decent* player, but honestly, his swing is way too long, he grounded into a million double plays last year, and he’s not a very good first basemen. I think any new face would only benefit the Mets right now.
i have not seen anything but sports writers bring up garko havent seen anything accually connecting him to the mets
Im probably saying what many of you said already but there is nothing wrong with bringing back Tatis as a bench player/utility man, but for a straight up platoon, I would rather someone else who is actually a first baseman, that would be nice for a change. So they would be platooning 2 people that are technically not playing where they are supposed to be. I am not going to rant and go crazy but again its a move that doesnt mean much and shows no vision or thought. If they are really worried Murphy cant do it then find someone who you think could take his place, not re sign been there done thats. We know what Tatis is, nice guy, nice story, did some nice things 2 years ago, but he is not going to bring that much extra to the table. And if Murphy cant do it, do we really want Tatis playing first base every day, hardly. So in the end its a move that Im not screaming bloody murder about but its a move that really is meaningless. How bout scout other teams for a similar guy that someone wants to get rid of. Mayve work out a trade, you know do something where you actually had to work and think to get an upgrade. Not someone you would have to trade a chip for, like a lower level minor leaguer. Who you ask? I dont know I dont get paid to scout, trade and get players, supposedly they should have these people doing something
I hear Butch Husky is available too. Why don’t we sign him he is righthanded afterall.
– how about Willie Montenez – he had a slick gove.
–I mean g l o v e.
Well I rather see a new face but for one yr it’s not like Tatis is horrible teammate /he can play multiple positons and he can play multiple positions. I figure Carter has a good shot at making the team as a LH PH too so there is another option
We all have to hope Murphy pans out
my answer to that question is no,,,,i do not want tatis playing first everyday if murph dont pan out,its not a good move,,,if murph falls we would have to go to carter or evens which i dont think there ready for this level,and dont think evens will ever be ready he had his shot didnt look so hot,,he didnt look horrable but i dont want him as a everyday firstbasemen if murph dont work out,i dont know enough about carter nor have i ever seen him play in a game so i cant have an opinion on him,
i guess since jeff wilpon is de facto gm, omar has become de facto manager?
why is he telling tatis he will be in a platoon? before spring training?
everyday, this organization does something makes me think things couldn’t get worse. and yet, here we are.
“everyday, this organization does something makes me think things couldn’t get worse. and yet, here we are.”
‘Priceless!’
So says Mike Puma.
I actually agree with Cerrone, signing Garko would be more cost effective and have a bigger upside.
That’s Baron, not Cerrone.
There’s no upside w/ Garko.
lol is all i have to say lol. omar is an iddiot. fire him now. we are disgusting. horrible horrible offseason. your 2b stinks, you have no catcher (santos is a back up althought i like him a lot as a back up) you have one starting pitcher, your pen is horrendous… your relying a guy coming off of major surgery and a japanese guy who could be “overrated”. you resign alex cora for 2 million dollars more than he is worth (he is usless as a player…. if u want him to coach thats fine), you sign bay (which i like the move only thing i like so far about this off-season) fire this iddiot.
my take on carter is this the resdsox gave him up for a guy that was not gonna stay with them the following year so they would not give a great prospect for something there not keeping,,,they know something about him that we dont,,,,,,i wouldent get too exited over him
NO PLATOON FOR MURPH.
If Tatis wants to be our pinch double-play inning-ending hitter, I suppose that’s fine.
Read the posts. Many have already explained.. DPs are overblown.
Tatis is the answer guys because Ryan Garko will hit more than 10 hrs and will only cost us a mil or so. no way he doesn’t suck nor is he older than 30 so there is no way the mets will sign him not a chance
Age is not an issue in this case.. Bench players and platoon players should in fact be veterans. You want someone experienced in a high pressure situation. Late inning relievers eat rookies alive! Young guys are more for longer term solutions.
How does Garko not suck? His WARs were about 0.5 the past two years. Tatis’ were about 1.5. So if Garko doesn’t suck it clearly follows that Tatis doesn’t suck either.
“the 35 year old Tatis hit .282 with eight home runs and 48 RBI in 340 at bats, grounded into 13 double plays, and hit .278 in 133 at bats against left handed pitching.
With the Indians and Giants in 2009, the 29 year old Garko hit .268 with 13 home runs and 51 RBI in 118 games, he hit .308 in 117 at bats against left handed pitching, and earned $446,100.”
hmm
J.D Drew’s WAR is 4.3 in 136 games; Bay’s is 3.5 in 148 . who would you pick ?????????
Hey Drew is worth a tick over 14 million so says boy genius GM.
what I said was that if Garko doesn’t suck then neither does Tatis. You’ve done nothing to refute that.
I’m not defending Tatis, or Omar, but the fact remains Tatis can fill in at LF, RF, every infield position and also serves as emergency catcher.
Garko would have been signed by a team by know if he were in better athletic shape and had the flexibility to play other positions.
hmmm
same goes for tatis too right .. tatis would be signed by a team by know if he were in better athletic shape and had the flexibility to play other positions.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
joke I roo,
who would sign Tatis, when everyone knows he’s Omah’s boy.
That is, when you’re not…..giving out hummmmmmmms
Word on the street you be good at day, mo…
ok what .. you make no sense jerry the rabbit and still didn’t answer my question so i rest my case here and moving on. ta ta
not really sure why you guys expect anything different…. this is omar minaya the worst gm of all time… best news coming is: ” Ny Mets have parted ways with Minaya”
i will expect this to happen june or july WOOOOOOOOOOOO
nope trust me Coupons do not want to fire him because he has a contract till 2012 for 3 mil. just like they didn’t do anything about Castillo’s contract and Ollie’s
Do you really believe all these moves or lack of moves is all Minaya? One thing thats on his track record is giving fans hope during the offseason every year since he’s been GM. He may give out bad contracts but he puts players on the roster to fill holes somehow in the offseason. This offseason he hasnt. I refuse to believe Omar or any GM will be so ignorant to the fact that you don’t get any SP, C or 1B, when you supposedly have “no budget”.
This go higher than Omar, this has a wilpon stench on it. This is a pattern that occurred before Minaya, and during Minaya. So every GM can’t be wrong and the owners always right. Either the owners are bad at picking GM’s or they don’t give them full atonomy(sp?). It could be a mixture of both, but how bad can a GM be when he supposedly isn’t working with a budget and started the offseason with holes in C, 1B, LF and Rotation..but just filled the LF spot.
why do you think they dont give power to Omar because everytime they gave him power he went out and signed garbage and gave them the worst contracts like ( Ollie Castillo etc )
THIS SEALS THE DEAL. The Mets are the worst managed team in baseball.
you guys said it all unfortunately..I did not want Tatis back…and i certainly wanted to give Murphy a full shot not a platoon job…
if they resign him for more than 1 million ill be on my way to new york to check the wilpons and omars head… who knows something could be terribly wrong with them.. NOT THAT THEY WOULD GET THE PROPER DIAGNOSTIC WITH THIS MEDICAL STAFF!!!!
so much for new direction
This move ‘should’ it happen, has got to make anyone wonder just what the hell the FO has been doing this off-season?!!
Can we get any more embarrassing?!
This just in. Tatis hit into 6 double plays and the season hasn’t even started.
Can the Mets be any more f*****g stupid than this?
I swear, if Jose Lima signs a minor league deal, I’m burning every last piece of my Mets gear.
DPs are overrated.. Discussed ad-nauseum.. If you don’t like Tatis fine.. but use a better excuse than DPs!
DPs are over rated? That’s the most ludicrous thing I’ve read on this site so far.
It’s a fluke stat.. Beltran and Wright had similar DP rates.. Also, something like 5 of those DPs came within 4 games. Someone pulled up the stats on here before.
A Lima signing would be the perfect ‘topper’ to this offseason nightmare!
great lets delay murphy’s progression another season
Delay or put and end to it – what happens to Murphy if Ike is ready?
so basically this is almost a swap from opening day 2009
OD 2009
LF Murphy/Tatis platoon
1B Power (Delgado)
OD 2010
LF Power (Bay)
1B Murphy/Tatis platoon
I am on the verge of giving up completely on the Mets. I would have been content with a Blalock or a Garko in a platoon. To me Tatis is a full-time BENCH player. Not a platoon starter.
It is not even like we are improving our defense at first base.
If the Mets dont get in on Hudson then our right side of the infield defense is downright scary.
3 theories right now…
1-mets are going to go all out next offseason (some combo of mauer, c. pena, c. crawford, beckett, c. lee, webb, etc)
2-mets are not signing any multiyear deals (besides bay) because the front office will likely be fired in-season.
3-the wilpons lost a lot more money in the madoff scandal and it is affecting the mets spending.
I could be wrong but i couldve sworn i seen reports that said the Mets pulled their funds outta that madoff deal and MADE like $30 million bucks. You just gotta wonder.. WTF ARE THEY REAL DOING!!!
WTF knows? They won’t give Omar a budget so we can’t see.
More like 50M, but i read that the government was forcing them to ‘give it back’ to offset the losses of those who actually lost money.
That is why they are doing this process. They want to clawback any “ill-gotten” distributions made to friends of UB (Uncle Bernie).
Don’t they they will get anything back, though.
This has been addressed on other threads here, but here goes again:
The Mets – Sterling – Wilpon family members — and even Tim Teufel — invested at least $300 million with Madoff. They received phony statements — and here’s the important part kiddies — they received these phony statements for YEARS showing WAY more than that on hand with UB (Uncle Bernie).
Sandy Koufax, too!
Over the years, there were withdrawals that (added up) totaling more than the original investment ($300 million). And they continued to get statements showing $300 million – plus on hand with UB.
Now the SEC investigators are claiming that if you withdrew more than you invested, well…then you made money.
Now…pop quiz hot shot: What kind of decisions would you make — KNOWING — you have $300 million on hand? Would you commit to build a new ballpark? Would you spend a little more to get a free agent a few years ago? What about giving a guy like Pedro an extra year?
Now take that safety net away. The picture gets drastically different.
Jeff is now operating like a lot of American families today…they MAY still have a job, cash flow needs are being met.
But no more safety net.
So, anything Omar wants to do needs to get “the OK from the boss first.”
Kinda sucks when yu have two hands tied behind your back.
4- The FA class SUCKS this year! You don’t want to commit when next year will be so much better.
You neglect to add Reyes.. Beltran in May.. Wright back to form. 3 allstars right there!
Except Reyes is coming off a significant leg injury, Beltran is already out for the first month or two and we have no idea what to expect from Wright.
Everyone hopes they are all back to their typical selfs, but are you really willing to bet the entire season on it?
The money issue can’t be dismissed without consideration. I know there are papers that say they didn’t lose money, but I’m skeptcial that those are correct. I believe they were with regards to the Sterling business, but perhaps the Dolpons had personal money outside that group invested and the lost that money.
I’m a real cynic and when Jeff said that they would spend and have one of the highest payrolls in baseball I thought for sure he was carefully parsing his words to not say he was going to cut the payroll considerably. Even at 115 or 120 they still have one of the highest payrolls, but that’s a significant cut from last year, which is exactly what I thought he was trying to hide.
Sorry, I digress a bit. Anyway, there does seem to be more to the money thing that they admit. What’s the payroll at right now? Bay is in at 7.5 this year, and 19.5 in 2011, so they really back loaded that deal to save money now.
exactly…initially they gave the impression that the backloading was because we would see more deals this offseason for other big contracts but that never happened.
i feel like they may use that as an excuse in upcoming offseasons that the payroll will be higher then.
unless the mets make some stupid moves now giving out a lot of money to nobodies, the real indicator to mets money situation will be next offseason. the contracts next offseason will be enormous for the big names and if the mets get in on the bidding and offer big deals, then we can feel that the mets are back to their big spending ways
Back-loading contracts is just a way of making a contract appear greater than it really is. Since no one was bidding against them, they could get away with it.
Anyway, one could just as easily argue that they are simply freeing up money to be used for next year’s, much-better, FA class.
Those free agents won’t be free until November. It’s January.
And every single one of those “much better FA class” could be re-signed, extended or traded between now and then.
We have no idea who will be available in November. That’s NOT a business plan.
I’m not arguing the validity of their plan – just the facts.
>>> Anyway, one could just as easily argue that they are simply freeing up money to be used for next year’s, much-better, FA class.
I’m not sure how that’s the case. Next year’s free agent class will be paid in 2011, when Bay’s contract is supposed to jump to 19.5 million. If they wanted to free up money, they would have front loaded it, since the payroll dropped by some 20+ million from last year, so that years 2, 3 and 4 cost less.
Well, if that’s the case, then i stand corrected.
– I think its – #2
the only reason this one is questionable is because they gave guys like blanco, cora, tatis (very soon), iragashi deals when these guys could have been replaced for one year similar deals for molina, o hudson, laroche, beimel. these replacement guys would have offered more talent for only a bit more money maybe $10 million max total more. None of which got more than one guarenteed year.
I dont know about this theory.
An ‘optimist!’ ;o)
The pay role is high; there are some bad contracts ie Castillo and Ollie that are hurting flexibility.
BTW, good observation/insight.
My stomach turns with each bit of news that breaks with this team.
I’m sorry but this is hilarious. What are we missing here. Even if they were waiting for big contracts until next year, why Tatis over Garko or anyone else for that matter.
I thought signing Chris Coste and Henry Blanco was going to strike fear into the eyes of Phillies fans. Then Omar went nuts and deepened our bench even more by trading away a useful bullpen arm for Gary Matthews Jr. BUT THIS!!! WOW!!! If we sign Tatis — FORGET ABOUT IT!!! RUBEN AMARO JR. IS GOING TO HAVE NIGHTMARES!!!! How is he supposed to keep up in this arms race?????
i used to think it couldnt get any worse…
That’s what u get for thinking………..! lol
haha
man do I hate this team right now. WTF R they doing? Tatis? Again? Omar does not know how to say goodbye. Man, that ship has sailed. We could probably sign Adam Kennedy for the same money and he can play 2nd base, 1st base, 3rd base and a little OF. The guy had like 68 rbi’s last year. This GM and ORG has ZERO imagination.
Kennedy doesn’t have near the power Tatis does and he doesn’t field the 1B position near as well as Tatis. Not too mention that Kennedy isn’t as familiar with the bench role that Tatis is actually well suited for. Not that I’m in love with this move, but clearly Tatis is a better option than the light hitting Kenendy.
Just when you thought Omar and Jeff could not get any more clueless they wnat to sign Tatis, the DP machine. Please, someone save us all from another year of misery!
i am sending in my application now! I know I could do a better job.
At first base or GM? ;-)
Sorry, want. I am so upset I can’t even spell anymore :)
might as well just give murphy a shot, no need to sign this guy.
Omigod, no! This just confirms once and for all that Jomar Wilpaya is now officially devoid of creativity and fresh ideas. Yes, Tatis was a marvelous surprise in 2008. Chances of it happening again, two years on, at a position that is far from this old man’s best? Zero.
I’ve never said this before, even in my private thoughts. But Omar must go!
Has omar been out there recently? We need a press conference of some sort. Is the FO at in touch with their fan base. I mean its pretty easy, just go metsblog and then u will get an idea. Tatis is garbage and maybe a utlity guy, but not for this club. The fact we are saying he may platoon and will get 250 to 300 at bats is pathetic. It is amazing toi see how a championship team like the yanks acted this offseason compared to us. They plugged holes and did it economically. No idea how they expect me to renew my tickets at their cost.
Tatis’s stint with the Mets is over Jeff Minaya, LETS MOVE ON ALREADY, LETS START FRESH, this isn’t 2006 anymore, stop trying to recapture that.
This move calls into questions ownership’s desire to win baseball games.
is it me or is the Mets management more concerned with having the best bench than the best starters? jeez, make a move that can help the team!
Who, what – ‘best’ bench – where?!
sad to see that the mets will begin the season with players at, catcher, 1B, & CF that would not start on any other team, not to mention 2B, may not start on 80% of teams, maybe more.
O yea, i didnt even get into the sad state of the rotation. A #2 would be nice.
O-ma;
I think it’s……………
LIMA TIME !!!!!!
hail. hail, the old gangs all here!
if lenny can get back on HGH, i think nails would be able to fill in till beltran gets back…….If he comes back that is.
Perhaps this is a mere ‘smokescreen’ and that Omar is, actually, working some blockbuster trade in the background …
Omar?…yea right
i doubt this but weren’t the mets talking w/ the tigers about trading for Miguel Cabrera earlier this off-season. also last I checked the tigers don’t have a 2B (Luis Castillo maybe?). I doubt Omar’s that smart though lol
lmao! I’ve given up all hope of that long ago!
Glad to see someone ‘caught’ my humor!
It’s official … this is a team w/ a very tight budget. This franchise is stagnant.
I don’t like tatis at all. i would rather have delgado
lets go brooklyn cyclones woohooooo…. and some times i wounder If any of the Mets F O is here reading our comments. i bet Omar is here somewhere lol
lol, yes omar is here, and hes considering everything lmao
yap he is writing everything down in his whocares book haha
Holy god, just browsing the comments you people would you chill out, what did tatis ever do? Jeez, in 2008 he got hurt and he was a big lose for us, he is a GOOD PH and he has some power, he also can play multiple positions including catcher. The d/p were frustrating but come on, it was just a stroke of bad luck or something, you cannot expect that to happen again.
It’s a singing to fortify the bench, can we step back from the ledge, it’s not like we just signed angel berrora
It’s not a signing to fortify the bench. It’s a signing to get a platoon at first.
You guys do realize that in a platoon, the left handed batter gets the lions share of the AB’s. Usually 75%, so if Murphy starts 120 games at 1B, that is still alot of at bats and will not really set back his development. Murphy’s OPS last year against lefties was .688, that is really low and if Tatis can improve on that and have around a .800 ops against lefties, and murphy can hopefully put together a .800 ops against righties, that gives you solid production from 1B. You could easily end up seeing a line such as .280, 20hr, 80 rbi, 350 obp, 450 slug from 1B.
Although my only concern here is why not give nick evans a shot at platooning with murphy. Evans ops against lefties is around 900 in his carrer (Albeit only 100 AB’s), which would be a huge improvement over tatis’s career production against lefties, and he also costs 400K compared to tatis who will probably get around 2 mill.
Evans can’t be counted on to do anything because last year he hit .211 in AAA and then was dropped to AA. He also stunk it up in the fall/winter leagues too. Until we see better from him, he’s not an option.
The Mets can’t sign Tatis…Come on…..I would rather have the 1st baseman from the Mets fantasy camp than have Tatis platoon. Where is the heart of this team? Where is the fight??? Lately I want to yawn as the Mets seem to be a boring team…..
maybe its ok to yawn. it is the offseason you know
Jesus h christ… I mean, I waited all day to see the post from mets fans about tatis, winn, and the organization.. and honestly, we all right and wrong.. guys, I wanna be wrong, I hate castillo, cora, perez and minaya.. but I won’t root against them, tatis is a pathetic move, but as I said before minaya’s power has been taken away and is his own fault, after signing perez, castillo, and cora the front office heard the screams of the fans and told him no mas.. n they’re right, we can’t continue to give out big contracts to garbage, god knows we got enough already.. let’s go mets at the end of the day.. let’s hope #7 is healthy and can carry the team for the first 2 months until beltran comes back..
Well…that’s all I have to say. Well
the thing i dont get is that when the mets 1st signed tatis in 08 they got him as a bench player and 2 years later now he is 35 and had a pretty bad year in 09. now they want to bring him back to Platoon him at 1st base which was his worst position. i dont get it. how is Ryan not a better choice here
How is he bad at 1B? He is above average fielding there. His range is the same as Murphy’s (they has very similar chances per inning) and a lower error rate. So, if Tatis is bad as a 1Bman the it logically follows Murphy is too. Is that what you’re saying?
That is correct. Tatis is bad at first and Murphy is bad first. What is it that is so hard to understand?
what if we just start calling murphy the “little cat” maybe he will catch on. thats what he reminds me of
Oh well atleast they are not over paying for players they don’t really want. Stick it out with what they have. In all honesty injuries killed them last yr so lets see if a healthy team can do the job
I’d rather just let Murph play and see what he can full time.
Keep messing with the kid and wonder why he won’t develop.
It is not like Tatis will put us over the top, gimme a break at this point let Murph play full time.
I think you have to try to maximize your production at every position. A tatis/murphy platoon over murphy alone could easily improve our 1B production from 775 OPS to 800 OPS, add 4 homeruns and 10 RBI, which is pretty useful.
Although as I mentioned previously, I think Nick Evans should have been considered for a pure 1B platoon, or even bringing in Ryan Garko for a pure platoon. The only thing I see that Tatis has over those two is his ability to play several other positions…
Keith Hernandez is not our manager, nor is he even a coach. So WHO is going to show Murph the ins and outs of 1B, Tatis? I think not.
The way this franchise is run sucks. I’m sick and tired of insignificant, inefficient, pointless moves… OMAR YOU HAVE SOO MUCH MONEY TO PLAY WITH, HOW DO YOU KEEP FAILING?
I don’t see the point in bringing back Tatis. And I’m all for new blood here. But thinking Garko is an improvement is plain silly. Anyone who’s actually watched him play rather than look at numbers, knows he slumps for ridiculously long periods and can’t field in the OF. I’d take Lowell any day over either of these guys. Heck, I’d take Delgado w/ 1 leg over either of these guys.
Although I want Murphy to succeed the bottom line is he is going to be average for a 1B and Tatis is just a filler vs lefties once in a while. Mets will need a new 1B by the trade deadline or go for Prince Fielder in next off season
don’t you just wish you could sit down and talk to omar and jeff wilpon? I know i would lol
Yes… I’d love to have a sit down and talk with Omar and Jeff…
…then I’d smack the piss out of both of them for causing every Met fan this freaking frustration
There’s no doubt about it, Delgado can still hit the ball. The question now becomes, how much longer does he anticipate limping around on the field? My consensus is that after a whole winter league, if he hasn’t shown signs of improvement there is a problem. I was all for bringing back Delgado, but not with a limp that hasn’t shown signs of improving. Has anyone read the recent scouting reports on him?
Platooning Tatis and Murphy is not going to make or break this team. the Mets are not going to win this year. they’re not getting in the playoffs. finishing over .500 is the most we can realistically hope for. Give Murphy the job full-time and see what he can do. if he craps out, we know he’s not major league material. no big loss. if he does well, we can keep him or use him as trade bait. Platooning him will not allow the Mets to figure out what kind of player he is, nor will it allow him to develop quickly.
ahhh, unless the Mets have already made up their mind about Murphy.
At the end of the day, does bringing back Tatis make a big difference? Probably not. Would a healthy Delgado be a better option? Of course, but Delgado will likely be yet another injury liability, which, more than anything, is what this organization is really trying to correct.
Look, this whole “pitching and defense” mantra is great, but, seriously, what team doesn’t try to have good pitching and defense? If Omar & Co. promised to focus on bloated contracts and over-the-hill, injury-prone has-beens, they’d be laughed out of town.
By all accounts, the Mets really had one opportunity to add to the “pitching” part of the “pitching and defense” slogan — John Lackey, and they probably exercised good judgment in not giving $82MM to a guy with a potential arm problem. The other guys (Marquis, Piniero, Garland, Wolf, etc. are all just average pitchers who were all somewhat attractive to Mets fans only because they didn’t have the stigma of wearing a Mets uniform last year.
While the Mets front office may do things differently than other teams (from Rosenthal’s report), their lack of a budget doesn’t mean they were asleep at the switch and were unable to make a run at any of the aforementioned, or for Sheets. They clearly thought that none of those guys was worth the $$$ they ultimately received. I think a healthy Ollie, Maine and Pelfrey have just as good a chance at being successful as any two of those plus Piniero or Marquis or Garland.
I think the Mets should have gone after Sheets, since the downside is only wasted money — they wouldn’t be signing Sheets at the expense of a comparable, less expensive, less injury-prone pitcher; there is no one else on the market. That said, $10MM isn’t chump-change and maybe they weren’t that impressed with his workout.
At the end of the day, this team will be successful and/or competitive this year if the core stays healthy and our pitchers don’t tank the way they did last year. TIme to see what we got on the field and quit moaning about not signing completely average players.
I absolutely agree 1000%!
Wow, I completely agree with that great post. Well said, I mostly tired of reading comments criticizing every aspect of the Mets. Lets be happy we have one of the best core teams in baseball and the NL east(when healthy). And that we still have the BEST pitcher in baseball pitching for the Mets. LETS GO METS!
So does that mean you are happier than Phillie fans who really have the best pitcher and also have 3 straight division titles and 2 world series appearances? If we have all these great things then it is even more embarrassing to never win with them.
nope, johan is better than halladay, i hope halladay gets shelled this year
lmao, Your calling Halladay a better pitcher then Santana? Your insane..
I like Garko over Tatis. But I’d still like to see if we can get rid of Castillo to boston for Mike Lowell as a platoon/#1 pinch hitter and backup infeilder. Yes, Tatis can play outfeild but we do have Pagan and Mathews there once beltran is back. Pitching should be priority now though and I think the only option is Bronson Arroyo in a deal with maybe pagan and then test the free agent market next year for pitchers.
This team is a JOKE! Players do not what to sign here! (I know Bay wishes he stay in Boston.) Only people not to see the problem is Management/Ownership of this team. Jeff Wilpon should NOT be in charge of the Mets, he is destroying them from top to bottom. As you can tell I am not a very happy camper right now. I keep waiting for something to get me excited about the upcoming season. But, for the first time in a long time I don’t have that feeling, that can’t wait till spring training to see our new players and what our 25 man roster is going to look like. I hope something changes but, I really don’t think it will.
well, it’s our joke and we’re gonna have to live with it.
I agree with you the mets are a joke! And im really upset with these team
I’m really upset with these teams decision making. Tatis! Are the Mets crazy? Or It Omar on drugs or what? I rather have delgado in the line up.
please make it stop
The only way to stop these is to fire Omar and the wilpons sell or get their act together.
Manuel’s comments on Murphy at first in today’s papers weren’t exactly a ringing endorsement for Murphy there. I could see the Mets still bringing back Delgado and platooning him with Tatis, and packaging Murphy in some sort of deal, maybe, just maybe, for a starter. Thoughts?
Hojo has highly endorsed Murphy, I doubt they bring in Delgado now that they’ve signed Tatis, Murphy doesn’t really have the highest value
And the hits just keep on coming…
Lol
You mean the whiffs.
I just have a feeling that if the Mets deal Murphy, he’ll end up being a .300 hitter somewhere. At this point, I think they should give him a shot and if he fails and the Mets are buried come July or August bring up Davis to get his feet wet for 2011.
Everyone is screaming saying Garko, Carter and Evans are better options but the thing everyone is forgetting is Tatis can play 3B which is something none of these other guys can do. Unless David is going to play every inning of every game and hopefully never have an injury we need a backup 3B. That is why Tatis is the better option. Carter and Evans aren’t even going to play 1B at AAA that is Ike;s job. If Murph falls flat on his face my guess would be you will see Ike sooner than later.
There is no stat, no metric, no possible way anyone can rationalize that having this guy around is a good thing.
To make matters worse, our manager has a crush on him and will start him 100 games regardless.
rofl. manuel and tatis what freakin jokes
Did you know that Daniel Murphy is a third baseman and not a first bseman? I bet Jerry the jenius doesn’t know it either.
I was just gonna say,….we have a career 3rd baseman playing 1B in Murphy
! lol
Murphy’s fielding percentage at 3B in the minors was .915. There is no way you can call him a 3Bman.
Exactly Sylow Murph was so bad at 3B that no one ever believed he would be one in the majors. I actually did know he played 3B in the minors so well in fact that he has never played there in the majors. My grandmother could field 3B better than he could. The fact remain that Tatis because he can play 1B, 2B, SS, 3b, LF and RF is a more valuable guy off a NL bench than Garko, Evans or Carter. He also happens to be pretty productive at it.
World series champ!!!!!!!
Yeh,Omar winning the world series of poker in vegas.I would love it Omar with nice shades and a big fat cigar.
Tatis WS MVP !!!! Let go mets !
Guess we’ll be up all night waiting for the big news. The anticipation is killling me!
Watch Omar pull of something like Phillps and Harang for Maine,Castillo and FMart
Yes, this will happen, I feel it in the air baby, YEA!! OMAR REDEEMED if a big trade goes down.
wait do you like this trade? I think its a terrible trade. frankly id rather have Maine than Harang, and F-Mart than Phillips. Even if i changed my mind i think you are overestimating the quality of this trade. It really only nets you Phillips and you hurt the system. I think F-Mart can land a much better player. Maybe a Jonathan Sanchez or a Mauer type from the twins around the deadline ;)
Or we can keep him and let him develop into a really good player. FMart was not given up for Santana I doubt he would go for anyone else except maybe a Pujols. I could see Mauer maybe except being a rental I would not give him up but the Twins would be crucified for trading him and my guess is he resigns with them anyways.
Wow the suspense is killing me!!!!
Tatis is done…I cannot believe the Mets are going down retread alley again. This franchise is a joke.
Why are they doing this ? The Mets need to get younger and bring in new blood not the same players.
Garko would be a good option at 1B and the OF
Please fire Omar Minaya soon as that would be the best off season move of the year
you don’t get younger by not filling a hole by signing a veteran. you get younger by developing young chips that can be played. You need to address certain needs on a team while you wait.
Omar just signed chubaka to pitch woohoooo
If Tatis is worth over 1 million dollars to the Mets can they just sign me I’ll take 50K for 5 months work. I’ll definitely ground into less double plays too (can’t do it if you don’t make contact right).
We’re all complaining now but will be the first ones at the ballpark and watching, gotta love baseball in NYC, like nothing else
Tatis and Murphy are just keeping first base warm for Ike davis in 2011. I would have preferred Garko but if this means no Delgado who cannot walk i am okay with it.
it would be nice if davis really turned out to be something. it could be a huge shot in the arm of an already pretty good team when it happens. I think people forget that Niese is a good looking prospect as well.
C’mon, people – just 237 comments? Not enough – we need to make a real statement:
Together now: “We’re not going to take it …etc, etc”
Just think how many comments there would be if it was buzz mets close to signing delgado
Julio Franco would be better, he played first for us, that would be fun fun fun, 3000 comments.
LMFAOOOOO.
It’ll be here before you know it!
I’m all for him and his bat provided he can ‘literally’ move. Too bad we don’t have the DH.
he limps when he walks not when he runs but when he walks so sad
Notice there is alot more Buzz than there are actual signings infact how many times has there be a buzz today about a player but they arent signed.
Actually, (a midnight confession) i used to be a Tatis fan, but after last year the honeymoon was over for me. I felt that it was time to move on… and i thought we had!
That, coupled with the timing and with the lack of quality, off-season improvements to the team, just ‘fans the flame’ of disgust with the FO.
Delgado would have been worse.
Tatis Hudson Delgado Wang Pedro Smoltz = 20 million?
You really want Pedro back. I know he pitched okay for Phils but he had most of the season off and they didn’t resign him.
At the ‘right’ price and the ‘right’ role, why not? I think he’s had enough time for his arm to ‘heal’ properly. He’s a proud person who’s gotta feel that his time here is ‘unfinished/incomplete.’ He’s now healthy and he’s 5yrs younger than Smolz.
LOL, just as i hit ‘submit’ to that last post, i noticed ‘Perez Feels Good’ headline just below (previous post) – and i burst out laughing!
Yeah, he’s feeling good alright – laughing all the way to the bank – with our money!
Here’s hoping that that ‘DRB’ redeems himself this year!
He went to the fat farm in az. Got ride off all that excess weight problem is he is a head case so maybe mets should get him a two week stay in Belview.
Great idea – wish you were the GM!
i think the key to understanding tatis, and omars love for him is to realize that tatis many years ago was a young player who tried steroids a couple years, had some good years, and then decided to stop. he left baseball primarily because he could not compete in a juiced league, but now that the game is back to normal, a guy with tatis skills seems good to omar in this slightly more fair market. this is all speculation i assure you. but tatis seems like a guy who would choose to stop taking roids when he learned about them and had some success. Tatis over the last few years has showed me he can play. I would welcome him back.
Another thing he always runs out ground balls takes nothing for granted and he gives your bench some depth.
and enough with all this anti-delgado talk. the guy is one of the greatest 1bmen of his era. and should be considered for the HoF next to all these roiders. his numbers look a lot cleaner than bagwells to me
Yes but if reports are true he cannot play anymore that has nothing to do with past accomplishments.
reports get you no where… let this guy heal from his injury and if he does he will hit. thats how i see it
Thats fair but the mets have scouted him and imo Omar wouldnt be bring tatis in if he was going to sign Delgado
he has before? i dunno its all speculation. im ready for spring training! once i saw wright hanging out on his off day! hah. it was cool. even though im his age i felt like a little kid. it was weird! i respect the guy though real friendly dude
But realy were you kidding about Pedro ?
no its a numbers and talent game. i see escobar smoltz and pedro offering a potentially enormous shot in the arm. if even one let alone two adapts well to their role we could have a huge performer. if pedro will pitch out of the bull pen and really goes for the role i will give him the ball in the 7th inning. for sure
think of the psychological effect of taking a lead into the 7th with Smoltz Pedro Escobar Irigashi? Feliciano and Rodriguez…. i think teams would be frightened of all the lost matchups the mets managers could find utilizing these guys
pedro still has a lot of weapons to throw joe schmo in the 5-8th inning
I think if he cant start he will retire he has alot of pride and i just dont see him being a relief pitcher imo.
i can see that. but thats my point. its about what pedro wants to do. if he wants to come to the mets and help them win and be a come back team who everyone called him and them down. and that gets a rise out of pedro than he could be very valuable to us for instance replacing brian stokes.
If he were willing to pitch in relief i dont think they would sign smoltz i just dont think they would add both guys. I still think they are working on trading for another starter.
that kind of thing is so hard to predict. its rarely obvious when a team is shopping starters.
what about the idea that the yankees didnt save a job for wang. he would rather play in NY and the mets are just waiting for him to get healthy to offer him a fair deal.
I’ve said in other comments if there is one pitcher you wanted to take a flyer on coming back from an injury hes my guy
next year Webb Santana Wang Perez Pelfrey (niese maine)…. trying to build the sinker staff of righties around two lefties… lol
Good grief – what’s wrong with being a relief pitcher? Might be a welcome experience for him – pitching more often & feeling more like an everyday player.
Are you ‘high?’
how many 86 mets do you think took to the field ‘high’
Quite a few, i’m sure!
i would rather have garko also, but i guess i dont absolutely hate the deal. now move onto signing orlando hudson and which adds a switch hitter to the bench (castillo).
i’d say, why not stick with the devil you know rather than the devil you don’t? Tatis or Garko? I feel more connection to Tatis so I’d like to see him back. Agreed with signing Hudson. Man that would make me happy. Castillo is a good PH bat to lead off an inning.
I rather get tatis, Hes someone you know what your getting..8-12 hr’s a year and a guy that can play different positions..I just started hearing about Garko this off-season and most people make him seem like a god…(Not saying you)
the only positive out of this, is that tatis coming back probably means Delgado is done with the mets.
Garko makes more sense defensively,ofensively,economically,and he is younger so im a little confused but lets focus on getting some pitching….i guess through a trade at this point
stupid.
What? How’d that get past the moderators?!
C’mon, only 16 more comments til 300 – ‘we can do it!’
A thought on Murphy – if anyone’s still ‘listening.’
The guy looks like a ‘boxer,’ doesn’t he?
I get the impression that we shouldn’t ‘give-up’ on this guy – that he’s going to do ‘whatever it takes’ to win. Sounds like he’s been working hard this off-season.
That said, i’d be more uncomfortable if he wasn’t on our team!
He looks like a boxer? So that makes him capable of hitting a curveball?
So, that’s what i was trying to say?! Wow, your ‘deciphering’ skill is amazing! How’d you ‘get inside my head’ like that?
LET’S GO METS!!! UGH…
Man, Omar and Wilpon refuse to change things up.
That being said if they are going to give Tatis the job at 1B during day games after night games then he hit .347 last season in day games.
Re-signed already http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2010/01/28/2010-01-28_tatis_up_for_3rd_round.html?r=sports%2Fbaseball%2Fmets&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fsports%2Fbaseball%2Fmets+%28Sports%2FBaseball%2FMets%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
I really hope the Mets give Murphy a shot to be the everyday 1B and only play Tatis when Murphy needs a day off. Give the kid a chance.
Dear wilpons: I’ve said that as well, the thing wit mets fans is Dearwithey had such high hopes for murphy not realizing he had only 131 at bat in his career!!! Then, after he starter strugglin then mets fans as usual, got down on him, then wanted to trade him, he’s a bum etc.. let him be at first, stop messing wit him and then wondering why he can’t developed.. only this side of town, the yankees gave melky like 3 years, he didn’t develop then got someone else, can’t we do the same!?
I agree. It seems like people are ready to write him off already. Let’s see if he’s really improved as much in the offseason as Hojo says he has. If he stinks this year, then we can all go back to complaining. But let’s pump the brakes a little for right now…
I know, I read that as well and thought the same thing.. is amazing how this ppl just can’t move on completely.. god..
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/mets_need_to_give_murphy_first_shot_pyz44cRcxtJXegRRwdtVVI?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Good read.
yeah, I’ve read that as well, I got all mets news on twitter, I even get metsstradamus which is funny.. lol..
We can all rest easier now!
Oh darn, we justed signed a guy who posts an OPS close to .800 every year to be a backup first baseman. It just so happens that he can also play 3B, LF and RF as well, and seems to respond well to a part time role. He also runs well and hustles all the time. This is terrible!
Change for the sake of change is not a good thing. Fernando Tatis as a utility player is just like Pedro Feliciano in the bullpen. Yes, the faces are very familiar, and yes, the Mets stunk in 2009 … but that isn’t a good enough reason to turn your back on something that is working.
Ryan Garko? Statistically, hasn’t even been as good as Tatis has been for the past two years. Garko has posted OPS of .750 and .765, with 27 homeruns over the past two seasons (and almost 900 ABs). He’s also been playing in a decent park for hitters (Garko really struggled badly in San Fran after he was traded).
Compare him to Fernando Tatis. His “down year” last year was better than either of Garko’s past several years. Tatis posted a .777 OPS, and the year before, an impressive .853 OPS. Tatis is faster and more versatile (plays all corner positions). It’s just that people want change for the sake of change. Fernando Tatis and his 100% effort at all times was not our problem.
Amen Old backstop
The problem is not this signing, its the lack of any real signings, other than Bay. Signings that will make a difference to our win/loss record. If we had gone out and got 1 or 2 good starters, this would be fine.
I think a lot of the outrage from fans is purely because of the moves the Mets aren’t making and so we get frustrated by these minor bs moves.
But is that truly fair? This years FA class was weak at best. I would rather roll with what we have than overpay for guys who frankly are not that much better than the guys we already have. I wouldn’t have minded a guy like Sheets at say $7 million with incentives. But when you start getting into $10 million range he is overpriced and too much of a risk for that money. He may pitch a full healthy season and put up great numbers but he has never gone a season without injury so really are many are betting on that happening? Personally I think there is a better chance Pelf outpitches him than there is of him going a whole season without injury.
Love waking up in the morning to some tatis and eggs, the breakfast of champions.
Just like last year’s left Field platoon. We all know how that turned out
Irrelevant comparison. Last year Murphy was very defensively challenged in LF. This year he´s more comfortable at 1B, also one year more experienced. He´ll get the bulk of time…with luck, Tatis will just be UT.
And Bay will be a huge upgrade over what we actually got from Delgado over the course of the season.
I really hope you’re right in regard to Murphy getting the bulk of the time at 1B
I´m not complaining about the potential Tatis signing. He can be very useful in a bench/UT role. But where is the change in clubhouse culture that the FO talked about after the season? It´s basically the exact same team, plus Bay. Granted, adding Reyes back should help, and when CB returns it´ll be a boost, but seriously. If you want to shake up the team´s attitude (or perceived attitude) you have to make some change for the sake of change. The Wilpons are really pinching pennies by not releasing Castillo and not signing Hudson to a 1-2 year deal. I´m not saying Castillo is terrible (only mostly terrible), but it´s been whispered that he´s not the greatest chemistry guy. If the Angels could eat $21 million for GMJ, why can´t the Mets eat $10-12 for Castillo? They haven´t signed a pitcher, but you could argue that improving the defense at 2B will make our existing pitching better, thus allowing us to go with Nieve/Misch/Figgy/Niese as 5th starter.
I don’t get this Team at all
The Tat-o-Matic Double-Play Machine!
Please No. Is it 2009 again?
Buck up, Mets fans… we’re not the NJ Nets!
4-40!
WOWOW!!
We can get somebody as good or better than Tatis on a minor league deal. How about M. Abreu, who’s been crushing the ball this winter? If nothing else, and this is unfair for Tatis, we need a certain amount of change for the sake of change. Don’t make stupid moves for the sake of making moves, but replace out the little spare parts that are so interchangeable. I think the 2010 Mets very closely resemble 2009, and that’s demoralizing.
Was watching best of Francesca last night on the YES network and a caller called in with the point that I have trying to make. The caller said why can’t the Mets just eat the $12mm on Castillo’s contract and sign Hudson? Other teams do it ALL THE TIME. The D-Backs just did it with Eric Byrnes by eating $10mm, the Angels just ate $21.5mm, etc.
His answer was actually really good. He said the Mets front office and ownership just “don’t get it”. That there is a “disconnect” between them and the fans. They don’t understand just how much fans dislike Castillo. He said even in the worst case scenario that you wanted to keep Castillo as a back-up infielder they could have used the money they gave Cora and GMJ and signed Hudson.
Again, Hudson is not the be all end all. In fact he probably does not improve the team that much from an offensive standpoint, although you get a huge upgrade defensively. It is the point. How about throwing the fans a bone.
I will say one thing, Omar is putting his neck out on the line big time with Cora and Tatis. If they are terrible he could lose his job over it. Say what you want about the Wilpons making baseball decisions now but Tatis and Cora have Omar finger prints all over it. You know Ryan Garko made about $1.2mm ($1.7mm compared to $500K) less than Tatis last season. He is 6 years younger, would cost at most half of what Tatis will get, will at worst give you similar production and the biggest key is fresh blood.
“Disconnect” with the fans? Teams makes moves all the time that fans don’t disagree with. This is one of them. I also don’t understand why some fans dislike Castillo with a passion. He had one bad year with the Mets.. Now he’s back to his usually production. Maybe some fans see that a .300 hitter with high OBP, 20 SB, doesn’t strike out, works the count and moves runners over is a total waste of a spot!
Omar is not sticking his neck out signing Cora and Tatis. Please!!! These are role players. It’s not going to make or break the team.. Now if Bay flops then you have something to talk about. The core of the team is pretty solid and if healthy should do good.
Garko.. He’s a bit strange. I looked up his numbers again. Seems pretty good. However, SF gave up their THIRD best prospect for him. Gave him 100 or so AB and then non-tendered him… and he was making 500k? Also, there doesn’t seem to be any interest in him.. There is something we’re not seeing!
I hate the Tatis move. Bring in some new freaking blood already. The same role players are brought back every freaking year and every freaking year they fail. Jesus why not take a run at Garko or someone different. Why not Nick Johnson before he signed? I mean really Tatis and Cora are back.
This is a team that needs new life, different faces, but it does not change.
But hey I look at it this way. When the Mets finish in 3rd or 4th in the NL east this year. Omar and Jerry will be gone. That’s the good news. Bad news is we have good old Jeff Wilpon who thinks he is a GM and a great baseball mind who I think is behind allot of this crap.
This is a team that needs their healthy core back.. Reyes and Beltran.. Nothing else is going to make a difference!
Oh, it hurts. Why does Omar Minaya hate the Mets? Why do we keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over and over….
I just wanted to make about the comment about “this is the same team as 2009″. How can you say that? It is not! You have Bay.. Reyes coming back. Beltran coming back in May/June. That’s THREE all stars that was mostly out of the 2009 team.
Bay: Question mark re knee injury
Reyes: Who knows if he will be back 100%
Beltran: Out until all star break
Wright: Uncertain if he will have a better year
Castillo: Well, we all know he can’t field lol
Johan: Who knows how he will respond to surgery
Pelfrey, Perez: HUGE head cases
Maine: Who knows how he will respond to surgery
Niese: Hamstring issues
5 Thousand catchers: They are all back ups to the back ups
Murphy: PLEASEEE!
Francour: THEE only one lol
I’d say it’s either 2009 again or worse.
wnymetsfan,
In response to your earlier post:
I agree that this years FA class is weak, but there’s always the trade route. Omar worked ‘magic’ in the Santana trade, but what since then? What the hell have they been doing all this time? What are they waiting for? Have they properly addressed their weaknesses? Hell no!
Though I can live with the pitching that we have (for the time being, anyway), why haven’t they yet upgraded the catcher and 2B? Seems that they put all their eggs in one basket by waiting for FA season with their pursuit of the over-aged Molina, who (along with Ramon Hernandez a couple years ago) already had given them the finger and took a pay cut to play elsewhere.
To run an organization, effectively, you have to plan ahead – and they’re just not doing that well, if at all! It just seems that the FO is always lost – like they have no Plan B, etc if Plan A goes awry. And, they’re always intent on ‘re-using’ that teabag – no matter how bad it tastes!
There’s no reason we shouldn’t have been in the postseason in yrs 2006-2008. Granted we were in the postseason in 2006 – but we should’ve won it all. The reason we didn’t then was painfully obvious. The Mets failed to recognize – though the signs were there – that Aaron Heilman was not cut-out to pitch in the ‘big stage’ and in NY. This was not a ‘hindsight is 20-20′ thing – it was clear to everyone, and we all agreed that – at that time – with a collective ‘oh, no – anyone but him,’ that he was not the guy to put into that situation. Sure enough – ‘boom, there it is’ and ‘there we went’ the best team in baseball! I don’t mean to say that Heilman is, alone, to blame for that loss, i blame Mgmt, for keeping him when the warning signs were ‘flagrant’ that we should get rid of him. Even then, they kept him another two years!!!
Now, 2007 & 2008 are a ‘blur’ to me now, but had our weaknesses been properly addressed we would have certainly gone deep into the post-season those years, as well. I do remember that at least one of those years, if not both – our pitching/bullpen was horrible!
The failure to properly address weaknesses – at whatever the cost – has led us down this disastrous road. Was last years ‘injury parade fiasco’ a ‘fluke’ or a ‘mentally-induced’ by-product of the previous three years of ‘piss-poor’ management? You have to wonder…