In a post to the New York Times, David Waldstein says Mets RHP Kelvim Escobar felt some discomfort in his right shoulder, while working out in advance of reporting to Tradition Field.
According to Waldstein, “He will not be up to speed with the rest of the pitchers when he reports to camp on Thursday.”
Escobar had surgery on his shoulder in 2007.
He missed all of 2008 and pitched only five innings last year for the Angels.
I’ll say it before anyone else does…here we go again…
Seriously though, loads of pitchers feel discomfort early on. Hope it’s no big deal.
Even though loads of pitchers feel discomfort, there aren’t many that are coming off missing 2 years due to injury.
can the big, red cross be far behind?
woe is me….
I’m sure it is no big deal – anything serious would have been found during the physical exam the Mets took before he signed….oh crap!!
I would have been surprised if Kelvim DID NOT feel discomfort. Anyone who follows baseball isn’t surprised by this,, dude is nasty but very very fragile.
Dear god.. please don’t start using the red cross yet!!
Camp opens today and they’re already down two players in Beltran and Escobar. I’m sure that Reyes’ hammy will soon tighten up, Santana will feel pain in his rotator cuff and Bay will tear up a knee, all before the weekend.
I’m right on track, I have march 12th in a pool before someone on the roster is declared “Out for season”
this is why i didnt get my hopes up with this guy i figured if he was healthy he’d be good but i had major doubts that he could be healthy especially cause he signed with the mets.
How long until we hear that the Mets FO/doctors never looked at HIS medical records either?
I’d say within 3 days. Maybe less.
This is not good, not what Met fans want to hear right before spring training! At least it wasn’t Santana who felt some discomfort, so it could be worse.
He fits right in!
This was one line in “notes” at the bottom of a long report about the Mets and David Wright in the Times. Everyone has discomfort this time of year…
except when it happens to a guy that pitched 1 game in the last 2 years,
I wouldn’t lump him in with “everyone”. He’s a big risk. that’s why he was able to be signed for 1.5m
All I said was it not even the main focus of the story, so its being taken out of context as far as its importance. I think we all knew the score with Escobar when he was signed. High upside guy that we are not depending on…
Problem is we kind of are depending on him. Omar just called him the front runner for the set up job
Kind of- they also have Igarashi and Parnell in the setup running, plus Feliciano and Green. I think Escobar has the most upside of anyone likely to break north. Then there is also Mejia later on maybe. Point being- I don’t think they are counting on Escobar with no fallbacks. They, like the fans, know the upside as well as the risk and have other options should he remain unhealthy.
Those are FAR from exciting options for a set up man
If he is indeed hurt, I would rather him have surgery now than pull a JJ Putz
why, hes on a 1 year deal. id rather take what hes got left, run him into the ground and leave him for dead.
yeah but if he’s hurt and pitching then he can’t be reliable and will be more bad than good for the bullpen
First day of camp and its already starting.
he should feel right at home with the mets … nice job omar
Yes, he signed a pitcher coming off an injury. Where did you stand on him not signing Sheets or Wang or Beddard? At least Escobar was ready for ST, unlike the other three Not trying to hassle you, just curious.
For 1.5 you could have signed a pitcher that actually has pitched more than one game in the last TWO years
there was a glut of closers and setup men available this offseason. Omar went with a guy coming off a serious injury how barely pitched in 2 years. That is 100% Omar’s bad call.
The difference is, the Mets signed him as the guy for the 8th inning, no fallback options, no nothing. They throw out other names but none are any good. They needed to sign a real set up man and Escobar then he’s the risk signee ok, but since its only him its another bad move.
this guy makes less money than alex cora. its a gamble move, it might not work out. but, for the record, we’re talking about discomfort. no reason to decide now that this guys a bust. but even if he is, we only lost money. and not much at that. sick of this attitude. go be a yankees fan.
Thank
you
sign Kalero
good point
Actually Calero is having arm issues too…probably not worth the risk…again…
Where’s that Mets injury flow chart again?
Darn it! I’m 48 years old. I haven’t played organized ball since the 30+ league I played with in 1996. Do I really have to suit up and pitch for this team? I guess I do. Okay, I should be in PSL tomorrow.
HA HA HA HA. You can’t make this stuff up.
lets start the count…thats 1
but i agree that we should sign kalero
Two. Don’t forget Beltran.
haha thats right..i completely forgot
Ki-Ko! Ki-Ko!
LOL.
Wait until next year.
Let’s just hope this is normal, start of the spring soreness. Does anyone know how long he has been throwing? Or did he just so up in the last day or so?
I’m gonna wait this one out if he had pain it’d be one thing but its just soreness which could end up being nothing. If this story starts to get big ill get nervous but no that much we do still have parnell and iggy as setup guys but yes sign Kolero
Shocking
Go nats!!!!
Go nats!!!!
I’m on the no big deal as of yet side of this. I know it’s a big deal because he’s missed much time due to injury, but for me, I think that makes it less of a big deal at first. He’s not in the shape of a pitcher that has been using his muscles every 5 days for half a year the last 2 years.
I’m going to wait and see before I start worrying it begins again.
It could be just general soreness since, like everyone said he HADN’T thrown much in the past 2 years. If you do something with a muscle you usually don’t do, or aren’t used to doing you get sore…sit ups, etc…not a problem…yet.
Except, why has he not been building that arm strength long before spring training?
I don’t know that he has or hasn’t. But chances are he was doing more rehabbing from the surgery than stretching it out to pitch. Those are totally different things…
maybe mets can get 6 innings out of him this year. Would be good.
Wow. I’ve got to say this is a suprise! Isn’t he one of our primary 8th inning set-up men options? Calero, MacDougal and Weathers are still available.
They said he will be treated carefully- didn’t say his arm fell off or anything.
Surprising. A Fine way to start a new season with two players current out or has some type of discomfort. Granted, he hasn’t pitched for two seasons, but do we really need this
Too early to know what’s going on.
Last year was an abberation. If we stay healthy we should be fine.
Well first day of spring training and we are already down 2 people. (I am including Beltran)
Fortunately we have a dynamite medical staff so we should be able to get Escobar through this.
The Mets are not as good at the start of 2010 as they were at the start of 2009 and the Phillies are much better now than they were at the start of 2009.
This is why this team doesn’t win even with a great core. It’s because said core of young, exciting players is constantly surrounded by garbage. You can’t win with only 5 or 6 players. I hope this is a flase alarm, but history tells us it isn’t.
well hearing escobar has discomfort is better than hearing escobar, sheets and wang have discomfort
Kiko C-a-l-e-r-o is how his name is spelled. you guys are horrible spellers. he has HAD arm problems but was fine last year. has anyone heard if he has any health issues currently? i haven’t. bet the Mets could have him for the $1.5 mil that they already paid Escobar. Chan-Ho Park is still out there, too. Park was excellent in relief last year.
Calero is 35. He wants two years. He missed almost all of 2008 with a torn rotated cuff and missed 3 weeks last year with an inflamed shoulder. Last year’s 60 IP were the most in his career. He’s a risk.
Park has had WHIPs of 1.40 the past two seasons and is 36/37. Pass.
Park had a 2.52 ERA and 1.18 WHIP out of the pen last year with 52 K’s in 50 innings. (baseball-reference.com) “After moving to the pen, his four-seam fastball velocity returned to normal (94-96 MPH range), with movement on his two-seam fastball and slider.” (wikipedia.org)
As far as Calero goes, sooner or later he is gonna have to take what he can get.
you’d actually take Escobar over either of these two?
I stand corrected about Park. I’m not sure what he wanted money wise but I tend to be queesy about late 30s middle inning guys with the possible exception of LOOGYs. If they signed him I’d be OK with it; but I’m not loosing a lot of sleep since they didn’t. Park vs Escobar: if I had to take one I’d probably take Park.
As for Escobar vs Calero: indifferent. Having one or two rehabbers around isn’t the end of the world. Having too many just clogs the system. Escobar may have been less of a risk than Calero. He was definately further along than Wang and Beddard. Sheets was too expensive a risk at $10M.
Parek wants to start again. He can’t get that out of his system. That’s why the Phils broke off talks.
I would have been surprised if Kelvim DID NOT feel discomfort. Anyone who follows baseball isn’t surprised by this,, dude is nasty but very very fragile. I’m not surprised. Still sux
Wow, what a surprise :( Give me a break. How can anyone get excited over this misrun organization? Who will be next?
And so it begins.
Again.
Look, every single spring in every single camp a player gets hurt. Let this be the worst of the injuries for the Mets this year.
Bring back Chan Ho Lima.
just to repeat, in case you guys missed it:
Park had a 2.52 ERA and 1.18 WHIP out of the pen last year with 52 K’s in 50 innings. (baseball-reference.com) “After moving to the pen, his four-seam fastball velocity returned to normal (94-96 MPH range), with movement on his two-seam fastball and slider.” (wikipedia.org)
Just rutted around the net for info on Park. The only real thing I found was on Philliy.com blog. Apparantly Manual really didn’t like him because he couldn’t count on him pitching every day. He did quite well when he did however. But Charlie really ripped him. Park also ants to start, but reality = MI or out of baseball = he’d settle for MI.
If he’s willing I’d take a shot at signing him.
MI? Heart attack or baseball? I dunno about you, but I’d settle for baseball…(sorry, I’m an overworked med student!)
Middle inning
One of my favorite lines from one of my actuarial exams was “fatal and non-fatal myocardial infarctions”.
but it’s probably just scar tissue.
That’s possible, but this is the Mets we’re talking about.
I wouldnt push the panick button. this report is not clear as to the level of discomfort. When then send him for an mri thats cause of concern.
Lets Go Mets!!
I just hold my breath when things like this occur. I really do want Escobar to be the 8th inning set up guy to K-Rod, I just hope someone else steps up and pitches well who can also take the 8th inning role as well just in case.
Boy, please no more bad PR !!!
The frustrating part of this story is not the fact that Escobar is experiencing pain, we all knew this was coming at some point, the frustrating part is that Omar called him the “front runner” for the set-up role. Seriously Omar? THis guy barely pitched the past 2 years and your brilliant plan is to make him your setup man in April? How about bringing him along slowly and maybe only pitching him once a week for the first month or so in the 6th or 7th inning? He will be shot by June b/c this FO really has no clue how to manage injured players and players coming back from injuries. Unbelievable.
After reading the comments to this post, I am officially taking a break from reading comments for a while.
The stupidity and ignorance of 99.9% of the posters on this blog are enough to make my head explode. We have 4 healthy starting pitchers coming into the season, we have 4 healthy guys competing for that 5th starter position. We have 6 healthy guys competing to catch, 3 healthy guys competing to play first. Our star SS is healthy, Our Star 3B is healthy, LF and RF are healthy and ready to go. Our 2B is coming off his best offensive season in a long time, we have an elite closer, an ironman lefty, and our CF (who is the best in the game btw) is coming back in a month, maybe sooner and until then we have a competent and effective replacement plus 2 more competing for time.
But our LOW RISK/HIGH REWARD take a chance to maybe catch lightning in a bottle guy who is competing with 4 other guys for the SETUP role is experiencing some discomfort and everyone here is ready to throw in the towel. To all who say he hasn’t pitched in 2 years. Well neither did Chien Ming Wang but you wanted to take a risk on him! We are paying this guy less than a bench role player but he has the potential to become a big impact player. But some shoulder discomfort in February and all of you are ready to throw in the towel.
It literally MAKES ME SICK! I have decided what I am giving up for Lent this year. Reading the comments section of this blog because if I don’t the ignorance of all of you is going to make my head explode.
I would hope we are healthy, the season hasn’t started.
Thanks for the post Omar.
Great! He’ll fit right in.
lol exactly
as a fan of the movie “what about bob” im going to make a suggestion to all who spend there days worrying about this team. As Dr.Leo Marvin said to bob, after handing him a presciption page , “its a vacation from your problems” im going to use this method to go through spring training and worry about the team when the season starts, because if im going to start worrying that a guy who missed 2 full seasons arm hurt after his first throwing session of the spring im going to drive myself crazy. i think i willl put the mets away in the closet until its not 2 degrees outside and when the sun is shininig and the games count ill start to worry about the kelvim escobars, and whose playing catcher. i dont even think the owners or management care about this as much as we will make of it on this wonderful website.
I am sure the Mets doctors have a handle on this and know the best way to treat it….lol.
this is what happens when you shop in the bargain bin!
everyone loved signing escobar, go back and read the comments, smalll outlay of cash for a possible big return, if he fails, dont go bashing omar for it now. you have to be lucky and creative, but most of all you have to get guys to pitch those innings from your own orginization, because if they are any good, there own teams tend to hold on to them. the yankees take joba and hughes and in back to back years have and 8th inning ace. god forbid the mets ever think outside the box and take a starter and make him the 8th inning man for a year if they are contending. maybe they will learn this year. parnell is a nice start, but they shouldnt hesitate if there better starters in the minors are dominating or have the ability to dominate an inning to bring em up and let them throw an inninng on the big club, its how the dodgers do it and its not hurting billlingsly or kershaw, they spent time in the pen, adam wainwright sound familiar, the theme is take your best 12 arms and find a job for them not worry what or when right now, in the end they will all end up where they belong.